Minutes interim-1992-iesg-12 1992-05-04 16:00
minutes-interim-1992-iesg-12-199205041600-00

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    May 4th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains

    - Meeting Agenda
    - Meeting Attendees
    - Meeting Notes

    Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil for more information.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Chiappa, Noel
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / MIT
    Estrada, Susan / CERFnet
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hobby, Russ / UC-Davis
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets

    Hinden, Robert / SUN

    AGENDA
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    1. Administrivia
    1.1 Bash the Agenda
    1.2 Approval of the Minutes
    1.2.1 Minutes of March 26
    1.2.2 Minutes of April 2nd
    1.2.3 Minutes of April 16th

    1.3 Next Meeting

    2.0 Protocol Actions
    2.1 PPP Authentication
    2.2 SNMP Security
    2.3 BGP Next Hop SNPA Attribute

    3.0 Old Protocol Actions

    Proposed Standards
    3.1 RFC 1144 Van Jacobsen Header Compression
    3.2 RFC 1139 ISO "PING"
    3.3 RFC 1094 NFS
    3.4 RFC 1057 RPC
    3.5 RFC 1056 PCMAIL
    3.6 RFC 1037 NFILE
    3.7 RFC 1026, 987 X.400(84) <=> RFC 822
    3.8 RFC 977 NNTP
    3.9 RFC 953 Hostname Server
    3.10 RFC 913 SFTP
    3.11 RFC 887 Resource Location
    3.12 RFC 734 SUPDUP
    Draft Standards
    3.13 RFC 1084 BOOTP
    3.14 RFC 951 Bootstrap Protocol
    3.15 RFC 783 TFTP

    4.0 Technical Management Issues
    4.1 ROAD Recommendation
    4.2 Review of Reporting
    4.3 Remote Database Access over TCP
    4.4 Dead/Sleeping Working Groups
    4.5 The Omnipotent IPLPDN
    4.6 TSIG Interactions
    4.7 IP Address Assignment

    5.0 Working Group Actions
    To be created
    5.1 Network Access Servers (nasreq)
    To be reviewed
    5.2 Router Discovery
    5.3 Bridge MIB
    5.4 Decnet Phase IV MIB

    MINUTES
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    1. Administrivia

    1.1 Review of the Agenda

    The Agenda was review and amended. The IESG decided to pursue the
    technical agenda and defer work on the grandfathered protocols until
    the next meeting.

    1.2 Approval of the Minutes

    1.2.1 Minutes of March 26

    The Minutes of March 26th were the subject of significant
    discussion. A new version has been requested prior to approval.

    1.2.2 Minutes of April 2nd
    1.2.3 Minutes of April 16th

    The Minutes of the April 2nd and 16th Teleconferences were
    approved.

    1.3 Next Meeting

    The IESG agreed to meet next Monday, May 11th to review the
    backlogged old protocols.

    2.0 Protocol Actions

    2.1 PPP Authentication.

    There remain a few unresolved issues with this document. The author
    has been on vacation and no progress has been made. Final
    resolution is expected by the next teleconference.

    2.2 SNMP Security.

    The Author of the SNMP Security documents and the IAB continue to
    work on editorial issues. New documents are expected shortly.

    2.3 BGP Next Hop SNPA Attribute.

    Bob Hinden was not present to give a report on the BGP working
    groups response to IAB questions on this protocol.

    3.0 Old Protocol Actions

    The IESG deferred discussion on the list of protocol actions until
    the next teleconference.

    4.0 Technical Management Issues

    4.1 ROAD Recommendation

    Philip Almquist continues to work on the draft IESG recommendation
    on Routing and Addressing. Progress is being made, and a draft
    document is expected soon.

    4.2 Review of Reporting

    The IESG reviewed the new reporting tools of the IETF Secretariat.
    To facilitate better dissemination of this information, these reports
    will be made available in the distributed IESG directories, updated
    weekly.

    Action: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the IESG with the filenames of the
    tracking reports in the IESG directory.

    The IETF Secretariat was asked about arranging the IETF directory
    into a more manageable structure. It was noted that with over 500
    files, it was easy to drown in data. The current structure is
    dictated by installed shadow directory updating software.

    4.3 Remote Database Access over TCP.

    The IETF Network Database Working Group has been working on a
    standard for running SQL over TCP. An external group, SQLAcess has
    been working on the same, and now that their specification is nearly
    complete, they would like to submit it to the IETF for
    standardization.

    The IESG discussed this possible submission. SQLAccess should
    publish their specification in the Internet Drafts Directory. The
    specification will then be reviewed in the IETF, either by the
    Network Database working group, or in another group. This proposal
    competes with the Network Database work, and if a harmonization is
    not likely, a separate working group can be set up to review the
    proposal.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Communicate the IETF requirements of open review and
    the IAB requirements for change control. Encourage SQLAccess to post their
    specification as an Internet Draft and arrange for an IETF review if
    requested.

    4.4 Dead/Dormant Working Groups

    The IAB has suggested that protocols in the standards track have a
    "home" in a current working group. The tradition has been for a
    working group to disband or become inactive during the period of
    implementation and testing between Proposed and Draft Standard.
    These groups are recorded by the IESG as "concluded" but their
    mailing lists continue as implementors forums.

    The IESG discussed the possibility of a new status of Dormant, but
    concluded that there is little to be gained. A working group can be
    reconstituted by the IESG at any time to re-evaluate a protocol.
    There are advantages to "concluding" a working group when the
    charter is finished. Concluding a working group has the effect of
    closing the door on a "finished" protocol and preventing incremental
    featurism.

    The IESG agrees with the IAB that there needs to be a "forum" for
    discussing a protocol in the standards process, and in fact this
    "forum" will be the mailing list of the "concluded" Working Group.
    Should the Working Group need to be reformed, this mailing list can
    be used as the new Working Group mailing list.

    POSITION: The IESG discussed and agreed that Proposed Standard and
    Draft Standard RFC's should have the name of the discussion group
    listed where questions can be answered and bugs reported in the
    protocols.

    ACTION: D. Crocker -- Take the discussion on dead and dormant working
    groups and prepare a first draft of a position to be communicated to
    the IAB.

    4.5 IPLPDN

    A proposal was made for the IPLPDN working group to begin work on a
    CLNP over SMDS standard. This proposed work item raised the
    question again about the charter of the IPLPDN group. The issues of
    LPDN routing affect both IP and CLNP and the participants of the
    working group aim for solutions that are compatible with both
    protocols. To further this goal while not seizing the
    standardization of ISO protocols, the IESG agreed that work on CLNP
    over SMDS can continue as an "experimental" or "Informational"
    effort.

    4.6 TSIG

    Steve Crocker attended the last TSIG meeting and opened a discussion
    on mechanisms to work with the IETF. It was a productive meeting in
    which TSIG agreed to meet jointly with the IETF at the Boston and
    Columbus meetings. Closer coordination in the formation of TSIG and
    IETF work items was discussed, and both groups agreed to a closer
    working relationship.

    A mailing list <ietf-tsig-interactions@tis.com> was set up to
    include interested IESG'ers, IETF Secretariat Staff, and TSIG
    organizers. Discussions on logistical details and arrangements will
    occur on this list. General questions on IETF interactions with
    external groups will continue in the context of the Rare working
    groups.

    4.7 Addressing Assignment Plan for CIDR.

    Although we have not yet formed a specific working group to work on
    this topic, there are several forums (both inside and outside the
    IETF) where discussions are already taking place. Presumably, all
    these discussions will contribute to the creation of Internet IP
    addressing plan. The IESG asked Bernhard Stackman to act as a point
    of coordination for these discussions, in his roles as IESG
    Operational Requirements Area Director, in RIPE and in IEPG. Phill
    Gross will approach the FEPG and FNC for advice on how to proceed on
    the creation of the plan, and then report back to the IESG. After
    Bernhard and Phill have talked with these various organizations, the
    IESG will decide how to proceed. The goal is to have a firm
    foundation for plan going into the boston IETF meeting in July.

    5.0 Working Group actions

    5.1 Network Access Servers Requirements (nasreq)

    The nasreq working group appears to deal primarily with access
    control issues, with a sprinkling of service questions. As such,
    the IESG agreed to work on chartering this working group in the
    Security Area.

    ACTION: Steve Crocker -- Review the nasreq charter with the SAAG and
    re-submit it to the IESG for consideration of the review.

    5.2 Router Discovery

    With the clarification of the IESG policy on concluding working
    groups, the Router Discovery working group was concluded. The
    mailing list will continue as a forum for implementors.

    5 .3 Bridge MIB

    The Bridge MIB working group will continue to resolve issues of
    harmonizing the Bridge MIB with the IEEE Specification.

    5.4 Decnet IV

    With the clarification of the IESG policy on concluding working
    groups, the Decnet Phase IV MIB working group was concluded. The
    mailing list will continue as a forum for implementors.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a draft announcement of the conclusion of the
    Router Discovery and Decnet Phase IV MIB working groups to the IESG
    list.