Minutes interim-1992-iesg-25 1992-10-19 16:00
minutes-interim-1992-iesg-25-199210191600-00

Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    October 19th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Borman, David / Cray Research

    AGENDA
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    1) Administivia
    o Role Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of the Minutes
    o Date of next IESG Teleconference

    2) Protocol Action
    o IP over FDDI to Draft
    o Network Time Protocol V3 to Draft Standard
    o Token Ring MIB
    o Concise MIB definitions to Draft
    o IP Addressing Guidelines
    o RIP Version 2
    o RIP Version 2 MIB
    o RIP Protocol Analysis
    o Ident, Ident MIB

    4) Technical Management Issues

    o SMTP Extensions
    o ROAD Activities
    o New IESG Area Directors
    o Better Technical review/guidance (continuation)

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The IESG approved the minutes of the October 1th Teleconference.

    o Next Meeting

    The IESG set dates for October 23, 11am-1pm ET, November 2nd and
    November 9th 12-2 ET.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o IP over FDDI

    A revised version of the IP over FDDI Specification was posted as an
    Internet Draft reflecting updates to the protocol specification to
    match the current use of the protocol. In particular, references to
    dual MAC use were deleted and support of hardware type 6 was
    dropped, a relic of RFC 1103.

    The IESG discussed the requirements for Draft and Standard status
    and how IP over FDDI satisfied these requirements. Discussion on
    the general issue is recorded in the technical management section of
    these minutes. IP over FDDI was approved for Full Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB requesting that
    IP over FDDI published as a Draft Standard protocol.

    o Network Time Protocol

    The Network Time Protocol has remained in grade long enough to be
    advanced to Draft Standard status. The IESG and RFC Editor have
    agreed that the Postscript document can remain the primary document
    given the current sub-optimal ASCII specification. The IESG is
    aware of two implementations of the protocol, one for the Fuzzball
    and one for generic Unix platforms. It is not clear whether these
    implementations are sufficiently independent for elevation for Draft
    Standard.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Investigate the two NTP implementations and determine
    if these implementations are sufficiently independent to validate the
    specification as required for Draft Standard.

    o Token Ring MIB

    Work is still underway to determine if the Token Ring MIB has
    sufficient implementation experience to be elevated to Draft
    Standard.

    o Concise MIB Definitions

    The IESG review RFC 1212, "Concise MIB Definitions" and approved a
    recommendation to elevate it to Standard status. This MIB format
    extensions should be considered part of the SMI standard and should
    be given the same requirement level as SNMP itself, recommended.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With Chuck Davin, write and send a recommendation
    to the IAB to elevate RFC 1212 to Standard.

    o IP Addressing Guidelines

    The IESG discussed the IP Addressing Proposal and the comments
    received early in the last call period. It appears that this
    document may have been sent to the IESG a bit pre-maturely and may
    not have the necessary consensus.

    ACTION: Gross, Stockman -- Investigate and report on the consensus for
    the specific IP addressing guidelines contained in the IP Addressing
    Guidelines document.

    There is an ongoing discussion with the IAB about the choice of
    Proposed Standard as a designation for this document. This is both
    a policy document for the assignment of IP Addresses and a technical
    architecture for CIDR. The IESG is aware that another version of
    this document will be submitted to the Internet Drafts directory
    which may split the document into two. The IESG agreed that the
    addressing guidelines themselves should be an informational document
    that should be adopted as policy by relevant operational bodies.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- List the IP Addressing Guidelines as awaiting a new
    document and remove it from the IESG agenda.

    ACTION: Gross, Stockman -- Insure that a new version of the IP
    Addressing Guidelines are posted as an Internet Draft.

    o RIP Version 2

    There was nothing to report.

    o Ident, Ident MIB

    Agreement on the wording about the use of character sets in IDENT
    has been reached and a new version of the document will be posted to
    the Internet Drafts directories shortly.

    3) Technical Management Issues

    o SMTP Extensions

    After the last IESG communication to the Working Group, it appears
    the group has begun lively discussions and had made significant
    progress on the technical issues raised during the last call.
    Closure still seems elusive and the current impasse seems to be over
    matters of document style and content. It was suggested to the
    Applications AD that intervention would be a good thing, either by
    proposing a strawman solution or actively drawing consensus from the
    current discussion on the mailing list.

    ACTION: Hobby - Make a strawman proposal or a summary of current
    progress to the working group mailing list to facilitate movement.

    o Document/Protocol Review

    The IESG has been working on a standardize checklist to aid in the
    though evaluation of protocols. This checklist has been circulated
    in draft form and with additional edits is intended to be used by
    Working Group chairmen prior to sending a protocol to the IESG.
    Information to be supplied includes a list of implementations and a
    gauge of the operational testing and deployment of a protocol.

    ACTION: Coya -- Find and send to the IESG the latest checklist
    guidelines for protocol advancement.

    2) Poised Working Group Progress

    The Poised Working Group mailing list has been very active. To help
    channel this activity and facilitate closure on a specific proposal,
    Carl Malamud has been asked to prepare a draft proposal from the
    discussions on the list and discussions with key participants.

    o New IESG Area Directors

    With the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan Estrada, there are
    several openings on the IESG. The IESG has discussed moving OSI
    protocols into the areas where they would naturally fall as a means
    of increasing integration and coordination with the current
    protocols. Moving addressing into the Routing Area was also
    discussed. The IESG discussed an area re-alignment but did not reach
    a firm discussion and scheduled a follow up teleconference for this
    Friday to resolve the remaining issues.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Prepare an agenda for the (mostly) single topic
    November 2th teleconference on IESG structure.

    Appendix - Action Items

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB requesting that
    IP over FDDI published as a Standard protocol.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Investigate the two NTP implementations and determine
    if these implementations are sufficiently independent to validate the
    specification as required for Draft Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With Chuck Davin, write and send a recommendation
    to the IAB to elevate RFC 1212 to Standard.

    ACTION: Gross, Stockman -- Investigate and report on the consensus for
    the specific IP addressing guidelines contained in the IP Addressing
    Guidelines document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- List the IP Addressing Guidelines as Working Group
    Discuss pending a new document.

    ACTION: Gross, Stockman -- Insure that a new version of the IP
    Addressing Guidelines are posted as an Internet Draft.

    ACTION: Hobby - Make a strawman proposal or a summary of current
    progress to the working group mailing list to facilitate movement.

    ACTION: Coya -- Find and send to the IESG the latest checklist
    guidelines for protocol advancement.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Prepare an agenda for the (mostly) single topic
    November 2th teleconference on IESG structure

    Appendix - Mailing List discussions

    o IP Addressing Guidelines.

    Discussion has continued on the IP Addressing guidelines document.
    It is clear that an addressing plan like the one proposed is
    necessary for CIDR to operate and that a uniform policy is needed.
    Whether a required policy is a standard is unclear but agreement that
    these guidelines were something that needs to be endorsed by the
    IAB/IESG.