Minutes interim-1992-iesg-26 1992-11-02 17:00
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    November 2nd, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet

    AGENDA
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    1) Administivia
    o Role Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of the Minutes
    o Next Meeting

    2) Protocol Actions
    o IP over FDDI to Standard
    o Network Time Protocol V3 to Draft Standard
    o Telnet Environment Option
    o Telnet Authentication
    o Token Ring MIB
    o RIP Version 2
    o RIP Version 2 MIB
    o RIP Protocol Analysis
    o Ident MIB
    o Ident
    o String Representation of Distinguished Name

    3) Technical Management Issues

    o Expired Protocols
    o ROAD Decision Process
    o Partridge and Kastenholz Criteria
    o Poised Working Group

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The minutes of the October 19th Teleconference were approved.

    o Next Meeting

    The IESG plans to meet by teleconference Monday November 9th at
    Eta. The agenda will be focused on the process by which the IESG
    will evaluate the IP V7 proposals.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o IP and ARP over FDDI

    The IP and ARP over FDDI protocol was approved by the IESG for
    recommendation to the IAB as a full Standard. This protocol is
    widely implemented by most router vendors and is widely deployed in
    commercial and university backbone networks.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB to publish the
    Internet Draft <draft-ietf-fddi-ipoverfddi-00.txt> as a full Standard.

    o Network Time Protocol

    The IESG discussed the two known NTP implementations and concluded
    that they were sufficiently independent for Draft Standard. The IESG
    continues to have concerns that this complex protocol, with its
    many tunable parameters may be difficult to implement from the
    specification. The IESG will look for additional implementations
    before considering this protocol for Full Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB recommending the
    elevation of the Network Time Protocol to Draft Standard status.

    o Telnet Environment Option

    The Telnet Working Group has submitted to the IESG a revised
    Environment option. This new version is intended to answer the
    objections raised by the IAB to the open-ended, Unix-centric nature
    of the previous submission. The IESG agreed that a last call was
    now appropriate.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call for the Telnet Environment
    Option.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the IAB pointing out the Telnet
    Environment Option Last Call and specifically requesting comments.

    o Telnet Authentication

    The Telnet Working Group submitted to the IESG several documents
    for authenticating Telnet connections. These include a base
    authentication document, and specific profiles for SPX and
    Kerberos. These documents are complete for their intended purpose
    but are likely to be extended to include encryption in the
    near future. The Working Group has asked for an Experimental
    Protocol designation in the absence of a more formal Prototype
    designation. The IESG agreed that after these documents are given
    a security review by Steve Crocker, they should be published as
    Experimental Protocols.

    ACTION: Crocker (In absentia): Review the Telnet authentication
    protocols.

    o Token Ring MIB

    Nothing to report.

    o Routing Information Protocol

    An external review was done by Noel Chiappa. The protocol fits
    within the currently defined routing architecture and support the
    subnet masks and AS number needed for CIDR deployment. A few
    documentation shortcoming were identified and one technical concern
    was raised, specifically the possibilities of routing loops or
    failure where RIPv2 and RIPv1 are running together where subnetting
    has been enabled. Text identifying this problem should be added.

    ACTION: Hinden -- Get a new copy of the RIP V2 protocol posted as an
    Internet Draft.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With Hinden, take Chiappa's review and write a
    recommendation to elevate the RIP V2 Protocol to Proposed Standard once
    the new Internet Draft is posted.

    Technical Management Issues

    o Review of Expired-in-Grade Protocols

    Several protocols not previously on the IESG list of in-progress
    works were noted. The IESG briefly reviewed each one and determined
    tentative courses of actions.

    - Telnet Linemode Option

    The Telnet Linemode option is widely used but the document
    required clarifications in several points. It is not clear to what
    extent these clarifications reflect current practice and whether
    there is demonstrated incompatibilities.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Encourage the revision of the Telnet Linemode Option
    and begin research into the operational use of this protocol.

    - CMOT

    The CMOT protocol as defined in RFC 1189 "Common Management
    Information Services and Protocols for the Internet" has expired in
    grade. The IESG was not aware of any currently implementations of
    this protocol and agreed to issue a last call to move this protocol
    off the standards track to Historical.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call proposing to move CMOT to
    Historical Standard Status.

    - NFS/RPC

    The Sun NFS and RPC protocols have been on the expired list for
    some time. There have been several efforts both to gain change
    control to allow these protocols to continue in the standards track
    and efforts to update the documentation with little success. The
    IESG agreed to issue a Last Call to move these protocols off the
    standard track to Informational.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call proposing to move Sun NFS and RPC
    to Informational Status.

    o IP Version 7 Decision

    The IESG began discussing whether the a reasonable pruning of
    proposals can occur after the November IETF meeting. It is not
    likely that any particular proposal will be complete and
    implementation and transition information is anticipated to be
    sketchy. The IESG has firm plans to review the criteria and explore
    each proposal in terms of the criteria, however it is not clear that
    a pruning to a single proposal will be possible. The IESG plans to
    discuss the current plans in depth during the next teleconference.

    o Criteria from Partridge and Kastenholtz

    Additional IPv7 Evaluation criteria were suggested by Craig Partridge
    and Frank Kastenholtz beyond the criteria initially suggested by the
    IESG. The IESG discussed this effort and agreed that it was positive
    and that the work should be reviewed with the IESG proposal at a BOF
    during the Washington DC IETF meeting. Philip Almquist agreed to
    chair this meeting as the Internet AD.

    ACTION: Coya -- Find a time and schedule a session for the IP V7
    Criteria BOF.

    o Poised Working Group

    A strawman proposal was sent to the Poised mailing list and had a
    quenching effect. The reduced level of discussion indicates some
    degree of uncertainty. The proposal was neither blasted nor praised.
    Several interpretations were discussed, and the IESG members agreed
    to individually solicit comments and encourage further discussion.

    Appendix - Action Items
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    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB to publish the
    Internet Draft <draft-ietf-fddi-ipoverfddi-00.txt> as a full Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB recommending the
    elevation of the Network Time Protocol to Draft Standard status.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call for the Telnet Environment
    Option.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the IAB pointing out the Telnet
    Environment Option Last Call and specifically requesting comments.

    ACTION: Crocker (In absentia): Review the Telnet authentication
    protocols.

    ACTION: Hinden -- Get a new copy of the RIP V2 protocol posted as an
    Internet Draft.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With Hinden, take Chiappa's review and write a
    recommendation to elevate the RIP V2 Protocol to Proposed Standard once
    the new Internet Draft is posted.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Encourage the revision of the Telnet Linemode Option
    and begin research into the operational use of this protocol.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call proposing to move CMOT to
    Historical Standard Status.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call proposing to move Sun NFS and RPC
    to Informational Status.

    ACTION: Coya -- Find a time and schedule a session for the IP V7
    Criteria BOF.