Minutes interim-1992-iesg-32 1992-12-07 17:00
minutes-interim-1992-iesg-32-199212071700-00

											
Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    December 7th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    This material is based on work supported by the National Science
    Foundation under Grant No.NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI

    AGENDA
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the Minutes
    November 9th,
    November 10th,
    November 20th,
    November 30th,
    December 2nd

    2) Protocol Actions
    o Token Ring MIB
    o Identity Protocol/ Ident MIB
    o FTP/FTAM Gateway
    o MTU Discovery
    o DS1 MIB /DS3 MIB
    o IP Addressing Guidelines

    3) Technical Management
    o Approval of IESG Re-Organization
    o IESG review of ROAD proposals
    o SUN NFS/RPC

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The minutes of the teleconferences on November 9th, November 10th,
    November 30th and December 2nd as well as the minutes of the meeting
    of November 20th held during the IETF plenary session in Washington
    D.C. were approved.

    2) Protocol Actions

    In email prior to this meeting, the IESG agreed that balloting will
    be used in conjunction with the regular IESG meetings to approve
    protocol actions. Presence at an IESG meeting without raising an
    objection is considered a "yes" vote.

    o Token Ring MIB

    The Token Ring MIB waiting for the completion of a survey of current
    implementations before being moved to Draft Standard.

    o Identity Protocol and Ident MIB

    The IESG approved the elevation of the Identity Protocol and the
    Ident MIB to Proposed Standard. The IESG had previously asked for a
    revision to the protocol to reflect the current understanding of
    character handling and this change was made and approved by the
    Working Group.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a protocol action notice to the RFC Editor
    and the IETF elevating the Identity protocol and the Ident MIB to
    Proposed Standard.

    o FTP/FTAM Gateway Specification

    The IESG has issued a last call for the FTP/FTAM gateway
    specification and received initial comments on the suitability of
    this specification for standardization. The comments primarily
    addressed the small constituency for the protocol and the need for
    change control and evolution. The IESG noted that there are three
    implementations, one of them of an earlier version and that although
    small, the need for the gateways will cause them to be implemented.
    The specification did not originate from a Working Group but was
    reviewed by the OSI General Working Group when it existed and was
    reviewed again at the Washington DC plenary meeting in a BOF. The
    IESG agreed to continue with the last call for Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Research and prepare a technical summary of the
    FTP/FTAM Gateway protocol and a report on the constituency of the
    protocol.

    o MTU Discovery

    RFC 1191, Path MTU Discovery has expired its two years in grade as a
    Proposed Standard. The protocol is widely implemented but its
    operational usage is limited by the existence of routers that
    suppress ICMP messages. (to work around an old 4.2 BSD bug) The
    IESG discussed whether this was such a significant problem that the
    protocol should be abandoned and agreed that it was not. The 4.2
    BSD behavior in the face of unrecognized ICMP messages is
    non-conforming and should not be an obstacle to further evolution of
    the Internet. (Implemented by Sun, Cray, and FTP Software among
    others)

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With text from Stev Knowles outlining the current
    operational experience, send a last call for the elevation of MTU
    Discovery to Draft Standard.

    o DS1 MIB/ DS3 MIB

    A bug is the DS1 and DS3 MIB specifications has been found which
    will be corrected in the next version of the MIBs. To send a clear
    signal that these should not be implemented, the Working Group has
    requested that these documents be moved to historic.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call to the IETF requesting comments
    on the movement of DS1 and DS3 MIBS to historic.

    o IP Addressing

    The IP Addressing paper submitted to the IESG for Proposed Standard
    has been split into two documents. A section by Elise Gerich has
    been published as RFC 1366, "Guidelines for Management of IP Address
    Space" and the remainder has been reposted as an Internet Draft.
    The Authors have asked that the documents progressed. The IESG
    discussed the document and agreed that the Internet Draft
    "Guidelines for IP Address Allocation" should be published as an
    Informational RFC.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- After getting comments from Yackov, send a
    document action to the RFC Editor and IETF for the IP Addressing
    Guidelines to Informational mentioning the original submission for
    Proposed Standard.

    Technical Management Issues

    o Approval of IESG Re-Organization

    The IESG discussed and approved the two-phase re-alignment of IESG
    Areas discussed at the December 2nd special teleconference.

    ACTION: Gross -- Announce the IESG re-organization to the IETF mailing
    list.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Update the secretariat records to reflect the new
    IESG structure.

    o IP Version 7 Protocol Review

    The IESG recognizes that a comprehensive review of the ROAD
    protocols is not likely to be completed by December 15th as hoped
    for in the IETF Plenary. To discuss the course of action a single
    topic teleconference was planned. The date is to be announced.

    ACTION: Coya -- Set up a IESG Teleconference to discuss the ROAD
    Proposals and planning.

    o Sun NFS and RPC

    Sun has expressed an interest to the IESG to move NFS and RPC into
    the IETF standards process. They recognize that this will entail
    giving change control to the IETF. The IESG discussed (briefly)
    this proposal and agreed to it enthusiastically. The
    standardization of NFS and RPC has been an goal for several
    years.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Explore with SUN the details of giving change control
    to the IETF for standardizing NFS and RPC.

    Appendix - Summary of Action Items

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a protocol action notice to the RFC Editor
    and the IETF elevating the Identity protocol and the Ident MIB to
    Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Research and prepare a technical summary of the
    FTP/FTAM gateway protocol and a report on the constituency of the
    protocol.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With text from Stev Knowles outlining the current
    operational experience, send a last call for the elevation of MTU
    Discovery to Draft Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a last call to the IETF requesting comments
    on the movement of DS1 and DS3 MIBS to historic.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a document action to the RFC Editor and IETF
    for the IP Addressing Guidelines to Informational. Make mention of the
    original submission for Proposed Standard and send the document to
    Yackov for comments before sending.

    ACTION: Gross -- Announce the IESG re-organization to the IETF mailing
    list.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Update the secretariat records to reflect the new
    IESG structure.

    ACTION: Coya -- Set up a IESG Teleconference to discuss the ROAD
    Proposals and planning.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Explore with SUN the details of giving change control
    to the IETF for standardizing NFS and RPC.