Minutes interim-1993-iesg-21 1993-09-23 15:30
minutes-interim-1993-iesg-21-199309231530-00

Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG)
    September 23 , 1993

    Reported by: Steve Coya, Acting IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Bradner, Scott / Harvard
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Crocker, Dave / SGI
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Mankin, Allison / NRL
    Piscitello, Dave / Bellcore
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Rose, Marshall / DBC

    IAB Liaison
    Christian Huitema / INRIA
    Yakov Rekhter / IBM

    Regrets
    Gross, Phill / ANS
    Klensin, John / UNU

    1. Some minor corrections were made to the July 29 minutes. It was
    noted that, while reduced, there were still a few "he said-she said"
    type phrases which need to be removed from the minutes of 29 July, 12
    August, 19 August, and 2 September.

    ACTION: Coya to edit and resend the above mentioned minutes. There will
    be a 1 week timeout period after which the minutes will be considered
    approved in the absense of any requests for changes.

    2. There is a consensus that RFC1237 (Guidelines for OSI NSAP
    Allocation in the Internet) should advance in grade to DRAFT. Further,
    there is an interest on the part of RARE/CLNS to amend text to see that
    European practices are described adequately. Marcel Wiget and Ross
    Callon are working on revised text, which should be available for last
    call by end of September

    3. The Generic Internet Service Description (gisd) was approved as a WG
    in the Operational Requirements Area.

    ACTION: Coya to send note to chairs with this information, and a
    message from their Area Director that if they want to meet during the
    Houston IETF, they should submit their request immediately.

    4. The Internet Draft "Assignment of System Identifiers for TUBA/CLNP
    Hosts" was approved for publication as an Informational RFC.

    5. Allison Mankin and Scott Bradner provided an update on the IPNG
    Directorate. They are planning to choose and announce the members of
    the directorate to the IETF within a week or so. There will be no IAB
    or IESG members on the directorate.

    There will also be an IPNG report to the IETF at the Houston IETF
    meeting, but they are hoping to report to the IETF prior to the
    November meeting. A draft of the message will be circulated among the
    IESG members.

    They also reported that Frank Solensky will be the chair of a new IPNG
    Working Group: Address Lifetime Estimates (ale).

    6. Stev Knowles reported that the ST-II charter is being revised and
    will be resubmitted to the IESG. There was some discussion on the
    competing efforts of ST-II and RSVP. It was noted that RSVP has not
    produced an Internet-Draft.

    ACTION: Allison to inquire as to the possibility of getting the RSVP
    document(s) released as Internet-Drafts.

    7. The message from Peter Ford asking for the IESG to decide if the
    TUBA WG was not acting in the IETF manner was discussed. The IESG noted
    that to date there have been no process complaints, and without a
    complaint there can be no investigation. If anyone feels they have a
    basis for such a complaint, they should contact the IESG in the
    appropriate manner

    ACTION: Coya to draft a response to that effect for IESG review. The message
    should be from the IESG Secretary, sent on behalf of the IESG.

    8. Joyce Reynolds provided a history of the Hyper Text Markup Language
    specification issue. Basically, the authors believe it should be
    entered into the standards track, while the IIIR Working Group felt it
    more appropriate to be published as an Informational RFC. This item
    will be removed from the IESG management issues section of the agenda.

    9. Steve Crocker initiated a discussion on the state of the IETF
    Handbook and what it should include. Basically, a document describing
    the IETF process (a la how a bill becomes law), and one which describes
    the roles and functions of the IETF working groups. Steve will review
    the wg guidelines I-D and provide comments. Erik and Dave Crocker
    reported that additional comments have been received since the
    Amsterdam IETF, some of which will be added to the I-D.

    10. The IESG reviewed a proposal for how to handle documents from the IPng
    candidates, a follow on IESG policy statement. The proposal was:

    1. All IPng related i-d's go to experimental as they are ready
    2. At some point, one IPng shall be selected, and it will be moved
    to the STD track as per RFC1310
    3. Other IPng's may eventually be moved to historical, or may seek
    elective or recommened status for all or parts of the proposals,
    depending on the recommendation of the WGs. If recommended
    status is desired, a clear AS must differentiate between the
    uses that the technology selected as IPng is designed for and
    the uses that the other technology is for.

    After some discussion on the use of Experimental versus Prototype, the IESG
    adopted the above position.

    ACTION: Coya to draft policy statement for review. To be sent by the IESG
    Secretary on behalf of the IESG Chair.

    11. Via an exchange of email messages, Dave Crocker reported that the
    dns WG reviewed the "Service Advertisement using the DNS" RFC
    submission and conveyed that review to the RFC Editor. While
    interesting, the reviewers felt it needed more, especially text as to
    why the authors think this is better than other mechanisms in this area
    (e.g. TCPMUX).