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[04:11:05] <bert> good morning from Dan and the ADSLMIB WG
[04:11:26] <bert> do you have the audio channel to listen to?
[04:11:40] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> no sorry just text today.
[04:11:57] <bert> OK I will try to report what is going on
[04:12:15] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Thank you - that's very kind.
[04:12:15] <bert> overview of 2006 achievements
[04:12:19] <bert> by WG chair
[04:12:24] <bert> adsl2 completed
[04:12:30] <bert> rechartered for Vdsl2
[04:12:37] <bert> rechartered for xDSL Bonding
[04:12:42] <bert> 2007 plan
[04:12:55] <bert> complete vdsl2 and xDSL bonding
[04:13:13] <bert> I won't be able to keep up with all of it though.
[04:13:19] <bert> do you have the slides in front of you?
[04:13:34] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Yes i do - it's OK as im one of the co-editors :-)
[04:13:48] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> so very brief is fine.
[04:13:49] <bert> ADSL2 MIB finished as RFC4706 in Nov 2006
[04:14:03] <bert> VDSLL2 MIB got revision 02 in Feb 2007
[04:14:35] <bert> OK, so slide Major Achievements 2006-2007
[04:15:06] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> thanks in advance.
[04:15:31] <bert> Dan is asking if we know abpout implementions for SHDLS MIB
[04:16:07] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> SHDSL bis or the earlier RFC?
[04:16:55] <bert> the new version
[04:17:08] <bert> did you do one?
[04:17:38] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> We, NEC, did one on the earlier version which is a complying subset of the new one.
[04:17:46] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> So we have up to four-wire.
[04:18:20] <bert> OK I will report
[04:20:52] <bert> Moti had some earlier implementation also
[04:21:14] <bert> Slide on relationship with other fora
[04:21:22] <bert> Like ADSL Forum and ITU-T
[04:22:37] <bert> Next agenda item: Moti on VDSL2 MIB
[04:22:39] <bert> he has slides
[04:22:49] <bert> slide: Introduction
[04:22:55] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Thanks.
[04:26:29] <bert> slide: References
[04:28:20] <bert> Moti elaborates on the various ways in which you can use this MIB
[04:28:48] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Yes
[04:28:53] <bert> using profiles
[04:31:04] <bert> a problem is that G.997.1 is not final.
[04:31:23] <bert> DSL FORUM has entertained suggestions to add more parameters
[04:32:15] <bert> A representative of BT had a list of new paramters, but later dropped a lot of them
[04:32:41] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> OK
[04:33:37] <bert> Difficult to keep up with the changes in the requirements set (ITU)
[04:34:15] <bert> Waiting for completion of requirements in ITU may take too long.
[04:36:24] <bert> We can ask ITU if they can give a date of when they expect to complete their revision/amendmends
[04:37:37] <bert> Moti: Maybe we can refer to amendments
[04:38:06] <bert> slide: Revisions so far
[04:40:16] <bert> Mapping the G.997.1 into a MIB is not always easy.
[04:40:36] <bert> Like dealing with the high number of sub-carriers (large volume of information to be supported)
[04:41:08] <bert> 3rd draft (-02 version) dealt with most of it and Moti thinks we are (should be) satisfied.
[04:41:50] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Yes
[04:45:41] <bert> next slide: What is in revision -02
[04:48:52] <bert> next slide (same topic continued
[04:52:09] <bert> naneen (correct name?) woudld prefer to have the "running counters"
[04:52:53] <bert> Moti responds
[04:53:12] <bert> The MIB does not have control objects to enable/disable the perfomrance monitoring
[04:55:01] <bert> If you want to control perf monitoring for one (or a subset) of the lines,
[04:55:28] <bert> you need to do so outside of this MIB (enterprise MIB or via other means)
[04:56:23] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Moti's comments reflect our experience as well.
[04:57:13] <bert> The interval counters could be used as sor of running counters as well.
[04:57:29] <bert> Discussion ongoing here
[04:58:04] <bert> Dan: tradisionally, SNMP counters are "running counters". The 15-min interval method comes from telco world.
[04:58:13] <bert> So there is a bit of difference in the semantics
[05:00:12] <bert> issue was discussed on the wg mlist
[05:02:28] <bert> next slide: What next?
[05:05:13] <bert> next slicde: What next? (Cont.)
[05:07:27] <bert> next slide : What next (cont.)
[05:07:35] <bert> (i.e. the 3rd slide on th etopic)
[05:10:19] <bert> Naneen wonders: structure of MIB change (as suggested on the list)
[05:10:30] <bert> may need to be reraised on the list
[05:10:42] <bert> -------
[05:11:16] <bert> Next agenda toic: G.Bond-MIB (Naren presenting for Edward Beili)
[05:11:26] <bert> slide: overview
[05:12:07] <bert> EFM bonding assumes symmetrix lines
[05:12:17] <bert> but ITU does not do so for DSL
[05:13:21] <bert> DSL Forum is doing a management framework that will also discuss/address this issue
[05:14:09] <bert> This is WT - 159
[05:15:14] <bert> next slide: ADSLMIB Docs Partition
[05:15:41] <bert> next slide: GBOND-MIB: Layering model
[05:16:53] <bert> next slide
[05:17:03] <bert> next slide: GBOND-MIB structure
[05:25:37] <bert> We had some discussion on where the various object bets fit and how to deal with module-compliance
[05:25:53] <bert> next slide : gBonrPortCapabilityTable
[05:26:06] <bert> skip a few slides
[05:26:21] <bert> slide: relationship to EFM-CU-MIB
[05:27:29] <bert> discussion: should we duplicate some parameters (objects)
[05:30:54] <bert> Nanen will check if grouping in EFM-CU MIB is good for us. If not, raise it to HUBMIB and/or during IETF Last Call
[05:32:58] <bert> skipping a set of slides on the various tables
[05:35:01] <bert> actually, Moti is now talking to the slides on the various tables n the GBOND-TDIM-MIB
[05:35:18] <bert> basically summarizing the attributes in each table
[05:38:24] <bert> question from Menachim: Is there a TDIM MIB for managing TDIM itself?
[05:38:50] <bert> It seems not (or at least we do not know that they exist)
[05:39:44] <bert> Slides (By Naren) on ATM-GBOND
[05:40:52] <bert> talking to the various tables
[05:41:10] <bert> open issues:
[05:41:18] <bert> - do we include line parameters
[05:41:26] <bert> - d we model perf counters
[05:42:34] <bert> vs 15mins and 24hour perf counters
[05:43:15] <bert> questions to be brought to the mailing list
[05:44:01] <bert> next agenda item: gbond informational document
[05:44:22] <bert> 1. sharing between adslmib and hubmib WGs.
[05:44:39] <bert> An informational doc should explain how to use the MIB modules
[05:49:48] <bert> 2.Is there a need for a g.Bond ethernet MIB or can EFM-CU-MIB be used?
[05:49:57] <bert> Slide: Ed Beili Response
[05:51:33] <bert> Last topic: wraup/concluding remarks
[05:51:47] <bert> slide: work plan for 2007
[05:52:09] <umbertobonollo@gmail.com/Meebo> Bert, thank you also for performing the scribe role for today's meeting of adslmib WG.
[05:55:51] <bert> you're welcome
[05:58:39] <bert> OK, we're done. Session has closed now.
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