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[05:50:27] <Dan York2> Test
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[05:55:21] <cboulton> Morning
[06:00:13] <Dan York2> Morning
[06:00:18] <Dan York2> Meeting materials at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/71/materials.html
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[06:00:59] <Dan York2> Audio at: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf717.m3u
[06:04:09] <Dan York2> Agenda at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/mediactrl.html
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[06:07:44] <Dan York> Agenda is being bashed
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[06:08:37] <cboulton> can we make sure that open issues are logged in the notes for next revision of drafts
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[06:09:32] <Dan York> cboulton: so noted
[06:09:48] <Dan York> Scott McGlashan up first
[06:10:09] <Dan York> Draft is at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mediactrl-sip-control-framework-01
[06:10:37] <Dan York> Slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-0.ppt
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[06:13:21] <Dan York> Remote participants - if you want me to raise a question please indicate that. I'm conveniently sitting next to a mic
[06:14:31] <Dan York> how's the audio?
[06:14:41] <alfredh> audio is ok
[06:15:08] <Dan York> thanks
[06:15:23] <Dan York> slide 3
[06:15:42] <Dan York> slide 4 and 5
[06:16:40] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
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[06:19:52] <Dan York> Slide 10
[06:19:59] <Dan York> I was speaking
[06:20:04] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
[06:21:35] <Dan York> slide 11
[06:21:55] <Dan York> Again, slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-0.ppt
[06:22:18] <Dan York> For those remote, note that coming up are a whole bunch of "Discussion Points"
[06:22:32] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
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[06:22:53] <Dan York> Discussion Points starting with slide 15
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[06:23:57] <Dan York> slide 13-4
[06:24:03] <Dan York> now at slide 15
[06:24:49] <Dan York> if he said 10 seconds, would he get disagreement?
[06:24:56] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:25:00] <cboulton> does it need to be that long?
[06:25:34] <cboulton> this is a different issue
[06:27:11] <Dan York> Simon Roman at mic
[06:28:01] <Dan York> Spencer talking
[06:28:37] <Dan York> Keith Draage at mic
[06:29:03] <Dan York> Simon Roman back at mic
[06:30:20] <Dan York> Scott suggest 5 seconds and will take it to list
[06:30:44] <Dan York> Steve Morris at mic
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[06:31:43] <Dan York> SIP is just being used now for setting up connection. Previous versions used SIP for more.
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[06:32:11] <Dan York> Slide 10
[06:32:21] <Dan York> Scott making straw man discussion of 15 seconds
[06:32:37] <cboulton> Dan - note these are just guidelines are not hard stop figures
[06:33:03] <Dan York> cboulton: thanks
[06:33:14] <Dan York> slide 17
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[06:35:48] <Dan York> Francois at mic
[06:36:01] <Dan York> Jonathan Rosenberg at mic
[06:36:52] <cboulton> Dan: Thats great if we dont need it - then we can take out
[06:37:05] <Dan York> Is that a point you want me to raise
[06:37:19] <Dan York> Spencer at mic
[06:37:25] <cboulton> yes please - that is the type of input we were looking for
[06:37:37] <cboulton> the security section is new
[06:37:40] <Dan York> Cullen at mic
[06:40:19] <Dan York> Brian Rosen at mic
[06:40:33] <Dan York> Cullen at mic
[06:41:32] <Dan York> slide 20
[06:42:02] <Dan York> Do we need a new port?
[06:42:26] <Dan York> Francois Audet at mic
[06:43:03] <Dan York> Cullen at mic 
[06:43:27] <Dan York> The reason MSRP had one. It was a convenience for firewalls and network sniffers
[06:43:42] <Dan York> Cullen - WG could go either way
[06:46:04] <Dan York> Any objections to a default port?
[06:46:07] <Dan York> None noted.
[06:46:26] <Dan York> Slide 21 - Audit
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[06:47:53] <Dan York> Dan York at mic
[06:48:02] <cboulton> auditing requirements are on a per package basis
[06:48:14] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:49:09] <Dan York> cboulton: but if we don't have an aggregate of all that, how can we know what the protocol should support?
[06:50:31] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:50:35] <Dan York> (saying same thing I was)
[06:51:39] <Dan York> Lorenzo
[06:53:36] <Dan York> <unknown> at mic
[06:53:40] <Dan York> Steve Morris at mic
[06:54:30] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:55:18] <Dan York> Slide 22
[06:56:09] <Dan York> Final slide
[06:57:18] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:57:54] <Dan York> Still looking for overall call flows
[06:58:27] <Dan York> Simon Roman at mic... this is what we've been doing in call flows draft
[06:58:40] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[06:58:54] <Dan York> we need something in the framework document
[06:59:38] <Dan York> Spencer and Roni discussing
[07:00:07] <Dan York> Now on to Basic IVR - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boulton-ivr-control-package-06.txt
[07:00:17] <Dan York> Slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-1.ppt
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[07:01:03] <Dan York> slide 2
[07:01:45] <Dan York> slide 3
[07:02:25] <Dan York> 21-25 discussion points - [IVRxx]
[07:02:36] <Dan York> IVR01 - AS response to CONTROL event
[07:02:39] <spencerdawkins> and I would like to thank scott and the author teams for providing open questions in priority order :-)
[07:02:58] <Dan York> Again if you have questions please do pass them along
[07:03:03] <Dan York> or statements of support
[07:04:31] <Dan York> slide 4 - IVR21
[07:05:56] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[07:06:12] <Dan York> His view is that this is not the right approach
[07:08:02] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
[07:08:32] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[07:11:16] <Dan York> Spencer - chair interrupt
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[07:14:40] <Dan York> slide 5 - IVR02
[07:16:20] <Dan York> Lorenzo
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[07:16:28] <Dan York> opinion is it should be 6
[07:16:45] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[07:19:37] <cboulton> Dan - get Scott to clarify what he means by the term connection - i think its confusing Roni
[07:21:33] <Dan York> cboulton: we just moved on
[07:24:06] <Dan York> Lorenzo
[07:24:11] <Dan York> IVR a dialog
[07:25:56] <Dan York> slide 7
[07:26:09] <Dan York> IVR05
[07:28:42] <Dan York> Lorenzo
[07:30:41] <Dan York> Jim McKerrig(?) was question
[07:31:18] <Dan York> slide 8 - [IVR09/10] <variable>
[07:31:52] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic saying he sent feedback
[07:32:11] <Dan York> Spencer
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[07:32:40] <Dan York> Hum to take this as a WG item
[07:32:55] <Dan York> Strong sense of the room yes
[07:33:12] <Dan York> Next preso
[07:33:43] <Dan York> slides - http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-2.ppt
[07:33:56] <Dan York> draft - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boulton-conference-control-package-04.txt
[07:34:14] <Dan York> slide 2
[07:37:03] <Dan York> slide 4 
[07:37:12] <Dan York> slide 5 - outstanding issues 1/2
[07:37:50] <Dan York> any comments on what is "basic" video conferencing?
[07:38:18] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[07:40:02] <Dan York> I was at mic
[07:40:39] <Dan York> do we align with XCON data model?
[07:40:57] <Dan York> Mary Barnes
[07:41:25] <Dan York> This is a high priority item in light of XCON's timeframe to complete the data model.
[07:42:12] <Dan York> Dave Morgan at mic
[07:42:48] <spencerdawkins> are you guys hearing the speakers OK?
[07:42:52] <Dan York> Alan Johnston (XCON co-chair) at mic
[07:42:56] <cboulton> yup
[07:43:01] <spencerdawkins> thanks
[07:43:10] <Dan York> We scaled back what we chose to do.
[07:44:00] <Dan York> Please bring comments to XCON very soon.
[07:44:04] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[07:46:09] <Dan York> Simon at mic
[07:47:17] <Dan York> Last slide
[07:49:20] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
[07:50:16] <Dan York> Hum for taking this to WG draft
[07:50:24] <Dan York> Sense of the room is yes
[07:50:54] <Dan York> Next preso
[07:51:03] <Dan York> Simon Roman speaking
[07:51:08] <Dan York> (going to speak)
[07:51:29] <Dan York> Slides http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-3.ppt
[07:51:52] <Dan York> Simon Romano
[07:52:37] <Dan York> Draft - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mediactrl/draft-miniero-mediactrl-escs-01.txt
[07:55:05] <Dan York> Their tools are at http://mediactrl.sourceforge.net/
[07:55:12] <Dan York> Slide 3 of the preso
[07:57:14] <Dan York> Please do note... you have to "play" or "view" the slides to see this.
[07:57:33] <Dan York> Simon effectively has about 4 slides in this one "slide 3".
[07:58:44] <Dan York> Spencer at mic
[08:00:00] <Dan York> Scott McGlashen at mic
[08:02:19] <Dan York> Still on slide 3
[08:02:23] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
[08:03:14] <Dan York> Scott at mic
[08:05:19] <Dan York> Slide 4
[08:09:07] <Dan York> Slide 5 - Basic IVR: Conttrol
[08:09:41] <Dan York> Scott at mic
[08:10:02] <Dan York> Lorenzo at mic
[08:15:20] <Dan York> Chairs report
[08:16:23] <Dan York> Slides http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/mediactrl-5.ppt
[08:16:35] <Dan York> We're on slide 12
[08:17:13] <Dan York> Slide 13
[08:19:44] <Dan York> Spencer is looking for commitments
[08:20:04] <Dan York> cboulton: does May work for you for a WGLC
[08:20:08] <Dan York> for control protocol
[08:20:18] <cboulton> Need RAI expert review first (Mary) - then WGLC 
[08:23:15] <Dan York> cboulton: IVR for June?
[08:24:22] <Dan York> cboulton: conferencing for sept?
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[08:25:18] <Dan York> Moving to Lorenzo's demo
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[08:33:05] <Dan York> We're just finishing up a bit with Lorenzo's demo
[08:33:18] <Dan York> Code can be found at http://mediactrl.sourceforge.net
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