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[12:03:53] andrewfuller has set the subject to: MEDIACtrl Dublin IETF72
[12:04:51] <andrewfuller> hi all, I'm scribe
[12:04:52] <andrewfuller> apologies in advance for connectivity issues
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[12:05:43] <Steve Buko> Thanks for doing the scribe job for us.
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[12:07:07] <andrewfuller> sorry all, connectivity issues
[12:07:13] <andrewfuller> Eric has finished going through agenda
[12:07:20] <andrewfuller> currently speaking: Chris boulton
[12:07:27] <andrewfuller> re Control Framework
[12:07:51] <andrewfuller> on slide 3
[12:07:57] <andrewfuller> roni even on mike
[12:08:19] <andrewfuller> PS I'm scribe:)
[12:08:23] <andrewfuller> cullen jennings on mike
[12:08:33] <Dan York> andrewfuller: Thanks for scribing.
[12:08:34] <andrewfuller> /cullen
[12:08:40] <andrewfuller> hey Dan
[12:08:56] <andrewfuller> remote participants: do you all have the audio feed?
[12:09:03] <Dan York> I do.
[12:09:14] <andrewfuller> Chris finished presenting
[12:09:23] <Steve Buko> Yes.  I have the audio feed.
[12:09:43] <andrewfuller> Ok, thanks - I won't do a full transcription so :)
[12:09:56] <andrewfuller> Next presentation: Scott McGlashan ... IVR Control Package
[12:10:28] <andrewfuller> slide 2: next version : -01
[12:11:17] <andrewfuller> slide 3: issues in -00
[12:11:49] <andrewfuller> mary barnes question
[12:13:06] <andrewfuller> slide 4: Issues in -00 Version 2/2
[12:13:11] <andrewfuller> eric in mike queue
[12:13:47] <andrewfuller> eric speaking (contributer)
[12:14:41] <andrewfuller> no objection to removing gen and ndn format mean for digits
[12:15:46] <andrewfuller> roni on mike
[12:15:53] <andrewfuller> mary barnes in mike queue
[12:16:29] <andrewfuller> roni: for parameters as opposed to attributes for rate, speed etc
[12:16:35] <andrewfuller> mary barnes agrees
[12:16:59] <andrewfuller> slide 5: RAI Issues - Substantive
[12:18:12] <andrewfuller> dunno who's on mike, sorry
[12:18:33] <andrewfuller> ben campbell on mike
[12:18:50] <Dan York> andrewfuller: I'll volunteer to review the draft from a security point-of-view.
[12:19:26] <andrewfuller> i'll join the mike queue
[12:19:43] <andrewfuller> mary barnes on mike
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[12:20:21] <Dan York> now
[12:20:23] <andrewfuller> thank you Dan
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[12:21:34] <andrewfuller> Dan - I forgot your surname while at the mike, sorry.  Hence the "Dan from Voxeo" :)
[12:22:00] <andrewfuller> Slide 6: RAI Issues - Specific
[12:22:03] Dan York laughs
[12:22:04] <Dan York> My employer would be pleased... ;-)
[12:22:15] <andrewfuller> Ben campbell on mike
[12:24:03] <andrewfuller> Eric... View of the chairs: VoiceXML covers 80% of speech app requirements
[12:24:18] <andrewfuller> Others require lower level access to speech resources
[12:24:51] <andrewfuller> Do we need to do ASR in framework now?
[12:24:53] <andrewfuller> No hands up
[12:25:00] <andrewfuller> -> No
[12:25:10] Dan York is not putting his hand up
[12:25:12] <Dan York> :-)
[12:25:48] <andrewfuller> Slide 7: RAI Issues - Specific
[12:25:55] <andrewfuller> Ben on mike
[12:27:35] <andrewfuller> No requirement for protocols on src
[12:29:02] <andrewfuller> \me is contemplating a ffs uri scheme to match nfs
[12:30:34] <andrewfuller> Still discussing URI schemes
[12:31:18] <andrewfuller> martin dolly on mike
[12:31:32] <Steve Buko> Don't the apps own the media content.  They should know where it exists.  This isn't an issue in my opinion.
[12:32:08] <andrewfuller> correct - i think that's the point martin made just now
[12:32:24] <andrewfuller> keith drage on mike
[12:33:08] <andrewfuller> Slide 8: RAI Issues - specific
[12:33:12] <andrewfuller> 4.2.5.2
[12:34:02] <andrewfuller> ben campbell on mike
[12:34:46] <andrewfuller> Slide 9: RAI Issues - specific
[12:34:49] <andrewfuller> 4.3.1
[12:35:32] <andrewfuller> hum vote
[12:36:02] <andrewfuller> trying to clarify the vote...
[12:36:30] <andrewfuller> humvote was yes to clarify behaviour
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[12:37:32] <andrewfuller> scott to clarify
[12:37:56] <andrewfuller> Next presentation: Scott McGlashan... Mixer Control Package
[12:38:14] <andrewfuller> Slide 2: Isues in -00:  <conferenceext>
[12:39:30] <andrewfuller> Lorenzo on mike
[12:39:48] <andrewfuller> Lorenzo approves
[12:39:56] <andrewfuller> Chris Boulton on mike: approves
[12:40:16] <andrewfuller> Slide 3: <video-layouts>
[12:41:18] <andrewfuller> Roni on mike
[12:41:56] <andrewfuller> Lorenzo on mike
[12:43:15] <Dan York> Had to step away for a moment... so was MIXER-001 on slide 2 approved?
[12:43:19] <Steve Buko> I think it is fine to leave this for an advance package.  There will be other issues that come up that will be added in an advanced package.
[12:43:39] <andrewfuller> Dan - yes
[12:43:55] <andrewfuller> Steve - noted, that's the outcome at present
[12:43:55] <Dan York> thanks
[12:44:20] <andrewfuller> Slide 5: <conferenceaudit>
[12:44:34] <Dan York> Other remote participants - are you also getting a repetitive popping sound in the background of the audio?
[12:44:47] <andrewfuller> (slide 4 took about 5 seconds)
[12:44:47] <Steve Buko> Yes.
[12:45:34] <andrewfuller> Slide 6: <participants>
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[12:46:08] <Steve Buko> Alternative to me would be a "party"
[12:46:42] <andrewfuller> Steve: I think everyone is happy to leave as-is
[12:47:05] <andrewfuller> Slide 7: plans
[12:47:09] <Steve Buko> Ok.  "Participant" is better than "endpoint"
[12:47:27] <andrewfuller> Spencer talking
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[12:48:13] <andrewfuller> ...advocating early comments
[12:48:25] <andrewfuller> Next presentation:
[12:48:59] <andrewfuller> Lorenzo Minero, Implementation details
[12:49:12] <andrewfuller> Slide 2: Implementation Details
[12:49:28] <andrewfuller> Slide 3: Demo on action
[12:49:57] <andrewfuller> Slide 4: The demo in action
[12:50:09] <andrewfuller> Slide 5: Changes from -01 to -02
[12:51:02] <andrewfuller> Slide 6; Framework
[12:52:06] <andrewfuller> sorry, number was off by one... -- the above
[12:52:10] <andrewfuller> Slide 6: IVR
[12:52:45] <Dan York> andrewfuller: Hmmm... it's actually page 9 in the PDF of the slides.
[12:53:07] <andrewfuller> Aha, I'm working off the PPT
[12:53:33] <Dan York> I chose the PDF because there was a note that the PPT may be corrupt
[12:54:18] <andrewfuller> Fair enough.  PPT seems ok to me
[12:55:02] <andrewfuller> Slide 8: Discussion
[12:55:26] <andrewfuller> Mary Barnes on mike
[12:57:05] <andrewfuller> Simon Romano on mike
[12:57:55] <andrewfuller> That was Salvatore Loreto
[12:57:59] <andrewfuller> Chris Bouton on mike
[12:58:06] <andrewfuller> Keith Drage on mike
[12:58:35] <andrewfuller> Mary Barnes on mike
[12:59:02] <andrewfuller> Keith again
[12:59:29] <andrewfuller> looks like a messy karaoke night, they're all trying to get the one microphone
[12:59:33] <andrewfuller> chris bouton
[12:59:42] <andrewfuller> scott mcg in queue
[13:00:07] <andrewfuller> scott mcg: support it as information wg item
[13:02:03] <andrewfuller> roni on mike
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[13:02:32] <andrewfuller> scott mcg on mike
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[13:03:19] <andrewfuller> dolly, martin on mike
[13:03:57] <andrewfuller> ... in favour of chartering this document
[13:04:37] <andrewfuller> keith drage on mike
[13:05:31] <andrewfuller> humvote:
[13:05:47] <andrewfuller> does anyone not want this to become a WG item
[13:06:08] <andrewfuller> no hum
[13:06:24] <andrewfuller> hands vote: who is going to review this document
[13:06:29] <Steve Buko> I will volunteer to review it.
[13:06:59] <andrewfuller> noted steve, i think the handsup has been deferred
[13:07:06] <andrewfuller> roni on mike
[13:07:30] <andrewfuller> martin dolly
[13:07:38] <andrewfuller> yikes
[13:07:46] <Steve Buko> :)
[13:07:53] <Steve Buko> Leave it to Martin to blow it up.
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[13:10:05] <andrewfuller> steve, do you want to be on the team to review?
[13:10:10] <Steve Buko> Yes.
[13:10:39] <andrewfuller> it's difficult to get a chance to put you forward, lot of activity here!
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[13:11:51] <andrewfuller> Jon Peterson on mike
[13:12:30] <andrewfuller> Roni on mike
[13:12:37] <Dan York> We're still on whether to accept call flow as a WG doc?
[13:12:58] <andrewfuller> yes
[13:13:02] Dan York has people at his house cutting down trees right now and had to go answer a question they had.
[13:13:05] <andrewfuller> getting heated
[13:13:28] <Dan York> ouch
[13:14:21] <andrewfuller> Magnus Westerlund on mike
[13:14:30] <Dan York> Agree with the gent from BT - call flows help with interop. (Doesn't need to be said at mic...  I hear others making the same point.)
[13:14:48] <andrewfuller> that seems to be the consensus in the room at present alright
[13:15:16] <Steve Buko> Not only that, but call flows help get the spec accepted.  At the end of the day, if the spec isn't accepted and used, then we are wasting our time.
[13:15:37] <andrewfuller> keith drage on mike
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[13:16:22] <andrewfuller> (sorry, that was christer earlier, not magnus)
[13:16:54] <andrewfuller> scott mcg on mike
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[13:19:27] <andrewfuller> Next presentation:
[13:19:48] <Steve Buko> Sorry.  My inet connection went down.  What was decided on the call flows?
[13:19:58] <andrewfuller> Scott McGlashan - Implementation and  Interoperability  Testing
[13:20:21] <andrewfuller> Decision was to accept the call flows as a WG item
[13:20:37] <Steve Buko> Am I on the hook to review?
[13:20:39] <andrewfuller> ... which as far as i understand will require a (small) recharter
[13:20:49] <andrewfuller> You and about 4 others I think
[13:20:54] <Steve Buko> Ok.  Thx.
[13:21:09] <andrewfuller> Unless the note-taker saw my handup on your behalf as an offer to help
[13:21:13] <andrewfuller> ... in which case i'm on the hook
[13:21:24] <andrewfuller> Slide 2: HP Implementation
[13:21:34] <andrewfuller> Andrew Lange (?) on mike
[13:21:40] <andrewfuller> Sorry, Andrew Allen
[13:22:01] <andrewfuller> Slide 3: Interoperability Testing
[13:22:37] <andrewfuller> Handsup for implementers: 4 (including me :) )
[13:22:39] <Dan York> Question: For interop testing, how about doing interop at a SIPit event?
[13:23:42] <andrewfuller> Did you hear that Dan?
[13:24:25] <andrewfuller> Eric indicated that's a good idea, said to look at the chair slides
[13:25:26] <andrewfuller> Next presentation:
[13:25:30] <andrewfuller> Media Resource Broker
[13:25:43] <andrewfuller> Presented by Chris Boulton
[13:26:10] <andrewfuller> Slide 2: History
[13:26:34] <andrewfuller> Slide 3: Recap
[13:28:18] <andrewfuller> Slide 4: Standalone MRB - Query
[13:28:52] <andrewfuller> Slide 5: Collapse MRB
[13:28:57] <andrewfuller> Slide 6: In-line MRB
[13:29:23] <andrewfuller> Slide 7: Next Steps
[13:31:04] <andrewfuller> scott mcg on mike
[13:33:10] <andrewfuller> roni on mike
[13:34:30] <andrewfuller> martin dolly on mike
[13:34:45] <andrewfuller> ... this functionality is desperately needed
[13:36:01] <andrewfuller> keith drage on mike
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[13:37:49] <andrewfuller> martin dolly
[13:38:08] <andrewfuller> ... likely to end up in release 9 of 3gpp
[13:38:17] <andrewfuller> scott mcg
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[13:38:41] <Dan York> when did he say 3GPP rel 8 was going to be out?
[13:38:44] <Dan York> (in theory)
[13:39:17] <andrewfuller> would need to be closed off by end of this year
[13:39:20] <andrewfuller> so yes i think
[13:39:25] <andrewfuller> christer on mike
[13:39:45] <andrewfuller> ... says it's not gonna be in for release 8
[13:40:29] <andrewfuller> martin dolly
[13:41:21] <andrewfuller> james rafferty on mike
[13:41:35] <andrewfuller> ...liason to 3gpp regarding our work?
[13:41:48] <andrewfuller> hands: how many read
[13:41:55] <andrewfuller> ... 4/5 people
[13:41:57] Dan York read it
[13:42:24] <andrewfuller> i put my hand up for u
[13:43:17] <andrewfuller> Next presentation:
[13:43:48] <andrewfuller> Interoperability Testing
[13:43:52] <andrewfuller> Eric Burger
[13:44:45] <andrewfuller> ...back to chair slides
[13:44:56] <andrewfuller> Slide 12: Interop and Interim
[13:45:44] <andrewfuller> scott mcg on mike
[13:48:32] <andrewfuller> cullen jennings on mike
[13:49:11] <andrewfuller> christer on mike
[13:50:25] <andrewfuller> Andrew Allen on mike
[13:51:03] <andrewfuller> eric: could fold it into SIPit
[13:51:19] <andrewfuller> scottmcg: possiblestart with distributed interop
[13:51:46] <andrewfuller> SLide 13: Details
[13:51:55] <andrewfuller> Martin Dolly: prepared to host interop event
[13:52:20] <andrewfuller> Slide 14: Goals an Milestones
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[13:56:45] <andrewfuller> all done
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[13:58:37] <andrewfuller> Dan - just realized I misread your question earlier
[13:58:47] <andrewfuller> 3GPP rel 8 is due at end of 2008
[13:58:57] <andrewfuller> bye
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