[14:42:06] Dan York joins the room [14:42:24] Dan York has set the subject to: MEDIACTRL Working Group - IETF 73 [14:43:36] Scott McGlashan joins the room [14:50:31] Krishna Kalluri joins the room [14:55:04] Dan York2 joins the room [14:55:18] Testing [14:55:37] hear you [14:55:55] Were your ears burning, Scott? [14:55:59] We were just talking about you? [14:56:35] audio quality isn't that good [14:57:55] Oh, we weren't at the mic [14:58:18] It was Chris Boulton, Roni and I just here in the room. [14:58:37] MEDIACTRL agenda is at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/agenda/mediactrl.html [14:59:15] Scott - do you want to chair the group? (Eric's not here) [15:00:11] is that rebellion in the ranks?? [15:00:31] Well, apparently there is a SIP Forum meeting on UA config that was going on before this. [15:00:45] Eric and Spencer are both there. [15:01:00] I'll test the audio for you. [15:01:13] standing by [15:01:35] Cullen Jennings joins the room [15:01:36] hi dan - sounds good apart from constant background buzz [15:02:18] AdamUzelac joins the room [15:02:37] whoa - there are 2 Dan Yorks? [15:02:44] he's been cloned [15:02:47] so cool [15:02:58] STEPHANEBASTIEN joins the room [15:03:00] Having issues with my normal client [15:03:17] So I have a second client running (Adium) [15:03:55] it's a jabber client dual between split personalities [15:04:25] Sebastian.Kiesel joins the room [15:05:11] Scott - can you hear Spencer well? [15:05:26] Yes [15:06:27] ysuzuki joins the room [15:06:42] Note Takers are Adam Uzelac and Keith Drage [15:07:38] What's the status on the vxml specification? When will the revised ID be ready? [15:07:53] Dan can you ask? [15:08:00] doing so [15:08:26] Slides: IVR Control Package [15:08:54] lminiero joins the room [15:09:36] roni_even joins the room [15:11:08] alex.amirante joins the room [15:11:37] Okay, so ALL slides for the MEDIACTRL session are in the one file: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mediactrl-0.ppt [15:11:54] Steve Buko at mic [15:12:05] Alan (?) at mic [15:13:25] yes, we would need report to the AS which media werwe actually played [15:13:33] Scott - what happens in VXML if you have multiple elements and it falls back to a third one, for instance? [15:13:44] Thanks [15:13:48] Lorenzo at mic [15:13:48] From a BroadSoft perspective, this functionality has been around for VoiceXML for years [15:14:07] it plays the 3rd one, but vxml doesn't do reporting or error reporting in this case. [15:14:21] so do we need to [15:14:34] You can always use vxml if you want this feature ... [15:15:16] we can always use voicexml instead of msc-ivr/1.0 [15:15:34] I'm remote [15:15:40] STEPHANEBASTIEN: Are you remote? [15:15:42] :-) [15:15:45] Thanks [15:16:03] I'm strongly in favor [15:17:07] STEPHANEBASTIEN: Relayed [15:17:35] Steve Buko at mic - this is BASIC IVR [15:17:37] or in msc-ivr via [15:20:17] Scott McGlashan: Relayed [15:20:33] Eric is right about the AS side - we would treat it as a deployment error [15:21:43] I'm opposed to delaying [15:21:57] Alan H joins the room [15:22:08] Hum as to whether to delay the IVR package to add fallback video: No one was in favor of delaying. [15:22:23] Why do the room jabber servers not provide history? Anyone? [15:22:29] Multiple people humming against. [15:22:44] Alan H: I don't know . [15:23:01] Open Issue: Conformance Language [15:23:51] eburger joins the room [15:23:55] Only applies to that type of media. [15:24:43] If the ms doesn't support video, then it doesn't matter whether it is sequential or parrallel. [15:25:55] lminiero leaves the room [15:26:01] Data on this slide is already on the list - please read it (reply to Dan' [15:26:05] s email [15:26:08] lminiero joins the room [15:27:12] Scott McGlashan: Relayed [15:28:12] Mary Barnes at mic [15:28:16] Keith Drage at mic [15:29:03] Martin Dolly at mic [15:29:35] Mary Barnes at mic [15:30:47] Dan York at mic [15:32:20] Looking forward to Mary's review of the conformance language ... [15:33:57] :-) [15:34:07] How many of these security concerns are at the framework level rather than package level? Especially re. handover between channels [15:34:28] Eric, can you ask Dan? [15:35:37] Agreed, prefer not to duplicate work in every package [15:36:19] Mary at mic [15:36:31] Keith Drage at mic [15:36:41] Agreement was with listing specific concerns in each package though [15:36:59] Lorenzo at mic [15:38:28] Dan York at mic [15:38:33] Mary at mic [15:38:43] Mary - might be good to suggest an early security review [15:40:01] How specific does Dan need the solution to be for handover between channels [15:40:26] Scott - I'll answer on list [15:40:27] Next version will available next week [15:40:35] In the list of items I would like to see addressed in -03: voicexml environment variables for dialogs started using [15:41:07] See version next week for that one Stephane [15:41:34] Alan H leaves the room [15:42:32] Eric is working off his penance for being late by circulating through the room handing out food. [15:42:50] Next presentation - Lorenzo on "Implementation reports" [15:43:03] (The MIXER presentation was all of one slide) [15:43:58] Slide: "A few words about the call flows..." [15:44:17] oh, I'm coming for food [15:44:44] Cullen Jennings: There are a few muffins and bagels left. :-) [15:45:20] Slide: "Work in progress in Naples" [15:45:25] Sound too healthy [15:45:43] New release of their open source app [15:45:57] Also online video-enabled demo released Monday [15:46:47] Slide: "Interoperability tests" [15:49:02] Incorrectly implemented ABNF, so that it would work ;-) [15:49:33] Chris Boulton at mic [15:50:23] Chris believes that ABNF is changed in current version of framework [15:51:20] Slide: UniNA AS <-> HP OCMP MS (2) [15:52:10] ABNF fix is NOT in -06, but should be in -07. Check with Chris? [15:52:26] Chris didn't have clue [15:52:35] = next version [15:52:40] right [15:53:56] Cullen at mic [15:54:02] Eric just reads flight manuals these days ... [15:56:55] Affirmative [15:59:30] at BroadSoft, we've been wondering about what the MS should do if TCP link is closed by remote-end. Should MS send SIP BYE to AS? [16:00:39] clarifications in control-framework would be nice [16:02:05] text is unclear [16:02:15] STEPHANEBASTIEN: Chris will make clarifications [16:02:21] Stephane - has BS done an implementation? [16:02:26] Slide: "Current implementations" [16:02:37] (Question from Lorenzo on slide) [16:02:40] we're working on the implementation. It will be available in the spring [16:02:46] thanks [16:03:43] Alan H at mic saying that Ditech Networks will be developing an implementation [16:04:07] Slide: "Interop event" [16:05:06] Lorenzo would like to see an interop event happen [16:05:15] Next preso - Chris on MRB [16:05:17] Interop will be discussed. See agenda [16:06:48] Slide: "Goals!!!" [16:08:12] jr112 joins the room [16:11:22] Dan York at mic asking about how to secure this [16:11:45] Steve Buko at mic - have we discussed using control framework? [16:12:13] (i.e. why are we looking at HTML for passing info versus the control framework?) [16:12:46] If ctrl framework, does the consumer interface need async notifiations? [16:15:51] Mary was at mic [16:15:54] Sebastian.Kiesel leaves the room [16:20:11] Salvatore at mic [16:20:18] Alan H at mic [16:26:14] Krishna Kalluri leaves the room [16:30:51] yes [16:30:52] roni_even leaves the room [16:31:47] Yes, this doc ready as basis for WG item [16:35:05] Alan H joins the room [16:35:22] Interop events [16:37:25] Did they do a count of peoiple that would not allready counted [16:38:31] + Scott [16:39:35] BroadSoft: we do most interops over the internet [16:46:51] what's status on Vxml spec?? [16:47:06] sorry [16:49:55] what about a 'fax' package? [16:50:51] hummm for adding call flows doc [16:51:03] Hum - add call flows? Approved. [16:51:07] hummm [16:53:45] Martin Dolly calls from the back of the room: "Find me an IETFer who doesn't whine" :-) [17:01:07] Please let it die (and it can be reborne if necessary) [17:01:37] we can deal with that when vxml 3.0 is CR [17:02:35] Relayed [17:02:40] we care about fax and would like a fax package. As for when and how, probably best to re-charter or do in an extensions WG [17:03:28] thanks for doing the jabber scribing ans relaying, Dan [17:03:45] Alan H leaves the room [17:03:56] Scott McGlashan: No problem [17:04:57] eburger leaves the room [17:05:03] lminiero leaves the room [17:05:30] Scott McGlashan leaves the room [17:05:35] jr112 leaves the room [17:05:37] thank you! 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