[13:09:05] Simon Josefsson joins the room [13:09:09] Patrik Halfar joins the room [13:09:50] pawal joins the room [13:10:01] mrex joins the room [13:10:59] mrex has set the subject to: TLS WG | http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/ | Audio: http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf808.m3u [13:12:07] mrex has set the subject to: TLS WG | http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/ | Audio: http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf808.m3u | Agenda: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/tls.txt [13:13:08] Satoru Kanno joins the room [13:13:44] mnot joins the room [13:14:17] Patrik Halfar leaves the room [13:16:59] Are Erics slides online somewhere? I don't see them on the datatracker meeting materials [13:17:21] =JeffH joins the room [13:19:43] lef_jp joins the room [13:22:16] semery joins the room [13:30:16] weiber joins the room [13:35:48] So it is about taking away from the network admins the ability to filter protocols [13:36:23] (the current presentation about the Next Protocol Negotiation proposal) [13:37:43] mrex: do you want a channel? [13:39:27] Originally IPSEC was supposed to solve the issue. Then the network/routing folks were enraged that the TCP port was inside the protection and not visible on the outside -- and this was changed [13:40:16] Now, since IPSEC didn't happen to the internet, folks are looking to solve the problem higher up the stack :) [13:43:03] g.e.montenegro joins the room [13:43:04] Simon Josefsson leaves the room [13:43:08] jas joins the room [13:55:30] Eric: The Next Protocol Negotiation proposal also wants to insert data between CCS and Finished! [14:00:28] Personally, I don't like this approach to the TLS state machine either -- and fought furiously when there was a proposal to insert GSS-API token exchanges into the TLS handshake discussed on the IETF TLS mailing list in (I believe) 2007 [14:03:07] mnot leaves the room [14:03:31] (thanks for channeling me) [14:07:53] are Yngve's Slide available online? [14:11:08] g.e.montenegro leaves the room [14:11:11] jas leaves the room [14:11:14] pawal leaves the room [14:11:29] lef_jp leaves the room [14:11:31] Satoru Kanno leaves the room [14:13:25] =JeffH leaves the room [14:17:38] semery leaves the room: Disconnected [14:29:11] weiber leaves the room [14:30:48] mrex leaves the room: Disconnected [14:33:42] pawal joins the room [14:34:03] pawal leaves the room [14:41:39] semery joins the room [14:52:23] mnot joins the room [14:55:37] semery leaves the room: Disconnected [14:58:10] lef.mutualauth joins the room [15:01:42] lef.mutualauth leaves the room [15:07:25] mnot leaves the room [15:11:28] =JeffH joins the room [15:14:20] =JeffH leaves the room [18:37:40] semery joins the room [18:58:09] semery leaves the room