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Re: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning



Title: ANCP Protocol Versioning
Sorry, but reference in a future ANCP v3.2 RFC to a version 3.1 which is NOT defined anywhere (in any normative reference or RFC) does not seem to be acceptable.
The (minuted) discussion did not cover the notion of how ANCP "version incompatibility" will be handled. Given that we're not out in the WG to create version compatibility between an ANCP standard protocol and an ANCP non-standard based one (or GSMP for that matter), it would seem that no new definition needs to take place. Feel free to discuss this further on this thread...
 
-Woj.


From: ancp-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ancp-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kavanagh
Sent: 29 July 2009 15:51
To: Sanjay Wadhwa; Wojciech Dec (wdec); ancp at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

Exactly, hence we should ahve this explicitly noted in the draft.
 
Alan


From: Sanjay Wadhwa [mailto:swadhwa at juniper.net]
Sent: July 29, 2009 9:48 AM
To: Alan Kavanagh; Wojciech Dec (wdec); ancp at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

In order to ease migration, it will help if BNGs are able to handle multiple peers with different versions (e.g. a 3.2 compliant BNG implementation able to work with a 3.1 AN and a 3.2 AN). Although implied by the protocol, we may want to explicitly state that version compatibility requirement is on an adjacency basis.

The draft will also need to define how the version incompatibility between BNG and AN needs to be handled.

 

-Sanjay


From: ancp-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ancp-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kavanagh
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:30 AM
To: Wojciech Dec (wdec); ancp at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

 

Cheers Woj

 

The only point i would note (excuse if it was already raised on Monday as i did not attend) is "backward compatibility" between the different versions of 3.1, 3.2 and future versions if/when/as needed. this should be noted in the draft.

 

Alan

 


From: Wojciech Dec (wdec) [mailto:wdec at cisco.com]
Sent: July 29, 2009 3:33 AM
To: Alan Kavanagh; ancp at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

Not entirely. ANCP already has a versioning field, hence nothing new is being defined. Also strictly speaking there is no distinction between version and sub-version, so the choice of 3.2 is purely based on custom (it can equally well have been 4.0).

Of course this will mean that all "pre-rfc" implementations will automatically be 100% incompatible with the rfc.

 

-Woj.

 


From: Alan Kavanagh [mailto:alan.kavanagh at ericsson.com]
Sent: 28 July 2009 19:28
To: Wojciech Dec (wdec); ancp at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

Hi Woj et.al

 

So are we agreeing that option 1 as noted on slide 15 in the Thomas's presentation is what was agreed on at yesterdays meeting?

 

BR

Alan K

 


From: ancp-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ancp-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Dec (wdec)
Sent: July 28, 2009 5:30 AM
To: ancp at ietf.org
Subject: [ANCP] ANCP Protocol Versioning

Hi All,

During yesterday's ANCP WG meeting at IET75 we discussed the topic of ANCP versioning and in the room arrived at the following conclusion:

The Pre-RFC version of ANC will continue to be 3.1 as per draft-ietf-ancp-protocol, however an RFC Editor's note will be introduced to change version from 3.1 to 3.2 upon publication of the RFC. This will clearly de-lineate any pre-RFC implementations with post-RFC ones and alleviate the operators'' problems presented (http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/75/slides/ancp-3.ppt)

Going beyond the publication of the RFC, the introduction of new capabilities or TLVs is expected to be handled by the capability negotiation mechanism (and new capabilities) or possibly by generalizing the notion of sub-capability currently in place for the multicast-control use-cases.

We would like to get feedback from the wider WG on the above, especially in terms of anyone who was not able to voice their opinion at the meeting. Based on the received feedback, we'll make a call regarding the WG consensus on this matter.

Regards,
Woj.