Re: Suggestions for AppArea meeting

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 20 February 2009 18:27 UTC

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Lisa Dusseault wrote:

> Any suggestions for using the AppArea time on Monday morning?

We (Peter Saint-Andre and Salvatore Loreto) think it might be valuable
to discuss several of the technologies for bidirectional data streaming
over HTTP. The three primary technologies we have in mind are BOSH (used
as the HTTP binding for XMPP), Bayeux, and Web Sockets:

http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html

http://svn.cometd.org/trunk/bayeux/bayeux.html

http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/

This topic has been pursued in private emails among various parties
(many cc'd on this message), but it could be useful to have a more
focused, public discussion. Possible agenda items include:

1. HTTP developers describe their experience with Bayeux and other such
"Comet" methods.

2. XMPP developers describe their experience with BOSH.

3. Someone from the XMPP Standards Foundation describes the XSF's work
on standardization of BOSH.

4. Discuss general requirements in this space.

5. Discuss whether it might be appropriate for the IETF to work on
standardization of such a technology.

-- Peter Saint-Andre and Salvatore Loreto