RE: [Asrg] Mail Cookies Was: Single-User Addresses

[william@elan.net]

Actually, I find the idea of "mail cookie" rather interesting, it creates 
standard way for whitelist-like verification and it also solves the 
problem with displaying address on the website to be used by your 
customers to send email immediatly but not necessarily be able to get 
collected and used by spammers in the future. I personally had somewhat 
similar idea with using public key embedded in the email address.

And while need of faster solution does exist, we should not discurd solutions 
that require more time. Also do note that everything changes, we had HTML 
1.0, then 2.0, 3.0, etc all not being entirely compatible with each 
other. That email has survived for so long with so few changes is at best 
surprising. But serious changes do take long long time to implement and 
go from development to production to wide acceptance so if long term 
solutions is adapted we need to think about recomendation for short-term 
solutions as well, in fact probably both short-term and long-term plans 
should discussed at the same time and not considered in opposition to each 
other.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Bob Wyman wrote:

> Hadmut Danisch wrote:
> > As the experiment just proved: Not even this ASRG mailing 
> > list can cope with it...
> 	Your experiment proves nothing other than that this mailing list
> software works as advertised. When you registered for the mailing list,
> you told it the email address that you would use when sending messages.
> The address you gave it did not include the key, thus, your message was
> put in the approval queue. I haven't tested it, but I wouldn't be
> surprised if things would have worked well if you had registered as
> "hadmut+....@danisch.de" rather than as simply "hadmut@danisch.de".
> 	In any case, this particular problem only happens when the
> receiving software has implemented a white list (as this mailing list
> software does) and if you have inserted the signature into the "FROM"
> field. The same problem will not happen, however, if you leave your FROM
> field as your base address (no signature) and only insert the signature
> into the "Reply-To" field.
> 	If this message reaches the list, it will prove that a signature
> embedded in the reply-to field does not interfere with mailing
> processing. Since I've modified the reply-to heading for this mail to
> include a "signature." Many people will, in fact, be able to benefit
> immediately from single-user addresses. One will simply need to avoid
> supplying such addresses to mailing lists or users of systems that don't
> support the things. This is not ideal, but it is better than waiting for
> a few years for new headers to be supported broadly.
> 
> 		bob wyman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hadmut Danisch [mailto:hadmut@danisch.de] 
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:41 PM
> To: Bob Wyman
> Cc: hadmut+45852e998cdb18c752c9d9b6cf77aef7@danisch.de; asrg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Mail Cookies Was: Single-User Addresses
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:33:25PM -0500, Bob Wyman wrote:
> >
> > 	Disagree if you wish. While "many" don't, "many" do... For
> instance, 
> > my mail server and client (Outlook Express) had no problem receiving 
> > the mail you sent with a From field that looked like:
> > 
> > 	From: hadmut+45852e998cdb18c752c9d9b6cf77aef7@danisch.de 
> > 	[mailto:hadmut+45852e998cdb18c752c9d9b6cf77aef7@danisch.de]
> >
> > 
> > 	Thus, while some servers and clients may have problems, I can
> assure 
> > you that many people are able to handle single-user emails today. 
> > Additionally, it is a fairly small change to existing systems to have 
> > them adopt the existing convention of ignoring text between the "+" 
> > and "@" symbols.
> 
> 
> As the experiment just proved: Not even this ASRG mailing list can 
> cope with it...
> 
> 
> Hadmut
> 
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