RE: [Asrg] How to defeat spam that uses encryption?

[Jason Hihn <jhihn@paytimepayroll.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui@plaidworks.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:18 PM
> To: Jason Hihn
> Cc: David F. Skoll; Jim Youll; asrg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] How to defeat spam that uses encryption?
>
>
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> On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:25  AM, Jason Hihn wrote:
>
> >> That is fascinating.  I read my mail with Pine.
> >
> > You sir, are both unlucky and lucky. I was a long-time pine user, but
> > the
> > 20th century has come and gone. ;-)
> >
> > The vast majority of people are using Outlook.
>
> This, I think, is a potential issue in this group: how many of the
> people attempting to build these policies know what Joe User really
> does, think and wants. I've seen a number of approaches and comments
> that lead me to think some folks see the net as "everyone does it the
> way I do it" -- there seem to be some serious blind spots, or perhaps,
> tunnel vision, in the discussions. I'm not sure what can be done about
> it, though, but it's an issue that needs to be kept in mind: whatever
> gets built needs to be built so Joe User can use it and will use it and
> does what he wants..

It shouldn't matter what the reader is. I belive there is at least the one
consensus that infratructure upgrades need to be done. Once that is done, it
should (again) no longer matter who uses what to read mail because it will
never get to them anyway.

> > Companies are worse, they blow money patching
> > and recovering from the infections that Outlook makes possible.
>
> companies are increasingly looking for alternatives, but when you have
> an existing company-wide system with a large user population and you
> can't just take the system down for a week to revamp things, moving to
> a new environment takes a lot of time, energy and money. Especially
> since e-mail is by all measures a corporate critical function almost
> everywhere now. Sometimes, the work needed to make a switch simply
> overwhelms an organization's ability to do it.

And the solution to this may lay in that proposal of mine that wasn't well
received. I will work on cleaning it up. (I'm not the best writer.) Maybe
then I can get more people enthusuastic about it. I think if we got some
talent to code it, we'd have something to play with at the end of a day. I
could almost do it myself, but I have no good experience writing scalable
socket-driven apps. (Threading, I/O completion ports, etc) But I could
prototype it in some scripting language...




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