RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - Pull System (revisited)

["Chris" <rebel@rebel.com.au>]

>
> > there is no reason why it cannot be a generic e-mail replacement
> > Implementation is relativally simple
>
> Deployment is not. Do you have the support of any of the major
> providers of
> email infrastructure?

No of course not but that does not mean that it cannot happen

this is a research group. we should research and then make recommendations

I am only adding or revisiting something I think has potential and been
overlooked for reasons unfathomable
but thats why I did my "revisited" so I could fathom the reasons.

I read the priors and can truly say not much in the way of valid reasoning
was put forward just a lot of knocking.

>
> The mistake many people make about the IETF is believing that the way
> standards get deployed is you propose something in the IETF and
> the industry
> then eagerly deploys it.

Of course not, but without properly researched alternatives, there is
nothing to deploy


>
> In practice the industry takes little to no notice of IETF activities. The
> only way a protocol is going to get deployed is if you have a propagation
> strategy to drive deployment.

Yes I have considered this, but it is too early to go into details.
lets see if the flag will fly first

> There are 3000++ RFCs and of those maybe
> thirty have ever been implemented and deployed on a network wide scale.

maybe most are passed over
propriatory systems will always be such

but when it comes to interoperability RFC's are often the starting place

Its where I turn when I want to develop some interoperable software

>
>
> > > RSS is the emergent protocol, it supports richer content
> > than NNTP, is
> > > considerably simpler and has a significant user base even
> > though there are
> > > practically no clients (!)
> >
> > not relevant
>
> If you want people to take notice of you you need to explain why your
> proposal is better than an infrastructure that has five years of
> deployment
> experience at this point and is widely implemented.

NNTP I have spoken of in another message as to why it is an indicator of the
potential success of a "pull" mail system
NNTP most often operates pull on a newsgroup level not a message by message
basis

But I am sure many administrators of news server who do offer filtering do
exactly what is suggested.

from my understanding (limited), RSS is not e-mail, it has no relationship
to e-mail. and could not be easily implemented as e-mail

It may be a good replacement for NNTP but that's debateable. (blogs)

I believe that RSS is a one to many system is it not ? (like nntp)

To replace email with some sort of RSS would require a major change to the
way people do things and everyone would have to change their current
software.

The idea is a minimal impact system that gets the results or at least
reduces the problem to a manageable level

and I keep saying this but it is the central point...

It gives the choice to the recipient. before the actual e-mail is even sent.

> I suggest that if you want to take this further you submit a draft and see
> if you can persuade people to read it.

I need to know more before I do, if I do. thats why this thread.
apart from IM2000 and Brett Watsons thesis I cannot find much.

Chris


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