RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - depracate all list/bulk mailing and change to RSS

["Chris" <asrg@rebel.com.au>]

>
>   Email is being abused as a broadcast medium.  By deprecating all mass
> mailings, and going RSS (i.e. pull feeds), we will cut the rug out from
> under the feet of so-called "legitimate bulk e-mailers".  Such a thing
> will no longer exist by definition.  They will stick out like sore
> thumbs.  Legitimate communities of interest can use RSS or internal
> usenet feeds or web-bords or whatever.
>
> --


This sounds strikingly similar to the http push  er push of a few years ago.

remember everyone would have an "active desktop" and news and stories of
interest would be pushed to the user.

Does any one remember how successful that was?

the "http push" was in fact a pull system, the user would pull on to his
desktop feeds (RSS) from their favourite sources

if it failed then, what's changed ?


Regards
Chris




> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:asrg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> Walter Dnes
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:55 AM
> To: ASRG list
> Subject: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - depracate all list/bulk mailing and
> change to RSS
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:33:23AM +1030, Chris wrote
>
> > In my preferred implementation of a pull system some additional
> steps are
> > added..
> >
> > 1/ sender connects to smtp host machine
> > 2/ senders host accepts mail from sender (usually authenticated)
> > 3/ senders host contacts recipients host machine
> > 3a/ senders host sends mail waiting command (pull request)
> > 3b/ recipients host acknowledges receipt of mail waiting command with a
> > unique message identifier.
> > 3c/ senders host queues message tagged with ID
> > 4/ recipients host processes request and can apply filtering algorithms
> > based on recipients personal preferences
> > 4a/ recipients host contacts senders host with unique identifier, thus
> > authenticating sender.
> > 4b/ recipients host issues a message accepted or denied command
> (with the
> > reason)
> > 4c/ if accepted mail is forwarded to recipients host machine
> > 5/ receiver connects to his smtp host machine and uploads mail
> >
> >
> > You will notice that for the sender and receiver the process is
> unchanged.
>
>   This appears very similar to "Insta-kiss" or "E-card" operations.  "You
> have email from an anonymous admirer.  Click on
> http://www.bad.example.com/mystery-admirer to find out...".  Just as
> those are open to abuse, so is your system.
>
>   Secondly, RSS already handles mailing lists better than mailing lists.
> This brings me to make my own proposal... end all mailing lists as we
> know them, and change over to RSS, or something similar (e.g. moderated
> internal newsgroups).  Mailing lists were originally set up in a "kinder
> gentler" internet.  Today they are being abused by spammers using
> euphemisms like "permission-based", etc.  The fringe spammers are
> illegal now, even without the "(Yes, you) CAN SPAM" act.  What worries
> me are the "respectable" spammers, aka "mainsleaze" who are perfectly
> free to blast away now.
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
> Email users are divided into two classes;
> 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking
> 2) Those who wish they did
>
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