RE: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-00

["Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net>]

On Wed, 5 May 2004 07:16:04 -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
>It is completely illogical to block mail from a provider because
>they have a zombie on their net.

As a first step, yes, it is inappropriate, and that should be part of
the practice.

>There is not a single ISP in this
>country who could guarantee that they did not have any.

Not relevant.  The issue is not "any"; it is one of continued patterns
of abuse after proper notification


>
>The way to deal with zombies is to have a better response protocol
>to put ISPs on notice that they have a problem with a particular
>address. Most ISPs do not want to be hosting zombies on their net 
>and they will kill them the moment they find out about them. 

Yes but as you admit some do nothing.  Those are the ones
who need to be blacklisted into action (or bankruptcy, because
they are profiting from the environmental-polluter business model.)

>That is if the comunication reaches the right part of the company.

In some companies there is no 'right part' because the management
decides to dump their problem on the spam/trojan/virus/worm victims,
rather than fixing it inhouse.   Management chooses to be a
polluter, and they should accept the consequences.   We should


>
>Blacklisting zombies is certainly legit. But blacklisting every other
>user of that ISP is not.

Like all other complicated human situations, it depends on the 
facts of the situation.

Jeffrey Race



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