RE: [Asrg] Re: Spam send/receive ratio

["Chris" <asrg at rebel.com.au>]

>   The *list* re-sends the message to tens of thousands of recipients.
> You don't.  Since each recipient has opted-in to the list, this isn't
> a problem.
>

HOW is a receiving MTA going to know this? it just sees the volume
discrepency and says 'Spammer'.
Just like some befuddled people see tattoos and think 'criminal'.

>
>   In other news, is everyone with a tattoo a criminal?  I've seen
> "wanted" posters which list "tattos" as "distinguishing
> characteristics" of a criminal.
>

Huh. So if I have a tattoo I am *more likely* to be a criminal then.

most criminals have hair. should that be listed as a distinguishing feature?

Ever heard of white collar crime... thats the stuff that costs billions of
dollars and ruins country economies. nary a tattoo in sight.

I stick to very blinkered. with no apology.

No doubt volume is an indicator that SHOULD be used. but only at the
injection point not at the receiving point. the receiver has no way of
knowing that volume may mean spam.

But the ISP who suddenly sees an upsurge in mail originating from a client
could spool that mail and confirm with the client that such volumes is in
fact intended.

Even this would catch me as I only do a mail out on average once a year. but
at least I could respond to the (automatically generated) mail with some
sort of verification that Yes I intended to send those emails please let
them pass.

A no would pobably mean I have been zombified. and no mail should be allowed
out until the problem is resolved.

A simple turing test would stop the zombified machine automatically
responding a yes to the validation email.

Chris




> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-admin at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-admin at ietf.org]On Behalf Of Alan
> DeKok
> Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 12:03 AM
> To: asrg at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Re: Spam send/receive ratio
>
>
> "Chris" <asrg at rebel.com.au> wrote:
> > > > One of the distinguishing characteristics of a spammer is the
> > > > imbalance between mail sent and mail received.
> >
> > Totally Unforgivable Rubbish (TUR for short)
> >
> > I recieve maybe a hundred emails each day. but when I send out
> to my mail
> > list I send tens of thousands
>
>   Really?  That's not how mailing lists work, so far as I know.
>
>   The *list* re-sends the message to tens of thousands of recipients.
> You don't.  Since each recipient has opted-in to the list, this isn't
> a problem.
>
> > under the above 'criteria' I automatically become a "spammer"
> when in fact I
> > simply have a lot of potential customers ALL on a double opt in list.
>
>   No.  You match a distinguishing characteristic of spammers.  This
> doesn't mean you're a spammer.  It just means that your behavior
> overlaps with that of spammers.
>
>   This isn't news.  Everyone uses SMTP to send mail, and so do
> spammers.  This doesn't make everyone using SMTP a spammer.
>
>   Spammers have additional distinguishing characteristics which you
> don't match.  Ergo, you're not a spammer.
>
>   In other news, is everyone with a tattoo a criminal?  I've seen
> "wanted" posters which list "tattos" as "distinguishing
> characteristics" of a criminal.
>
> > This is very blinkered reasoning.
>
>   Please blink more often.  It might clarify your vision.
>
>   Alan DeKok.
>
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