Re: [Asrg] [IP] 4 Rivals Almost United on Ways to Fight Spam

[Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com>]

Well this might be interesting if my comments weren't in response to
the US FTC report declaring methods like SPF et al preferable or
pre-requisite to do-not-spam lists for fighting spam.

You're shadow-boxing, it's not I who conflated the issues, it was the
us federal agency who apparently was tasked with dealing with it
(perhaps not the only, but certainly one of the most visible.)

That's a bit more than important than a sweep of the hand "oh well so
they're confused" seems to merit.

Forgery is serious. Cancer is serious. Kidnapping is serious.

Lots of things are serious.

That doesn't make them spam.

	 -b

On June 26, 2004 at 09:25 aland at ox.org (Alan DeKok) wrote:
 > Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
 > > There are quite a few of us who have nothing much against these
 > > authentication schemes, only, as you imply, that we doubt they'll do
 > > much any good in the fight against spam.
 > 
 >   Once again, they're not designed to stop spam.  Anyone who claims
 > that they are designed to stop spam is wrong.
 > 
 >   What they WILL stop is forgery, and garbage bounces.  I'm now
 > getting a few bounces a day to my personal account from forgeries.
 > MARID/LMAP/whatever can stop these in their tracks, before they become
 > as bad a problem as the rest of the spam.
 > 
 >   I know people who are getting 10^6 bounces/day.  Stopping those will
 > have significant positive effects on their networks and daily expenses.
 > 
 > > Since spam is the big problem it's hard to get interested much less
 > > excited about proposals which are presented in anti-spam contexts
 > > constantly whose best recommendation is that they won't do anything
 > > much about spam but might be otherwise helpful somewhere/somehow.
 > 
 >   So come up with a proposed solution, and stop complaining that
 > systems which aren't intended to stop spam don't stop spam.
 > 
 > > It's a distraction, that's all, and the more naive (particularly in
 > > the media) get confused and think these non-spam initiatives are
 > > initiatives against spam simply because they're appearing in anti-spam
 > > contexts.
 > 
 >   That's their tough luck.
 > 
 >   Alan DeKok.
 > 
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