RE: [Asrg] SICS

["Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan at verisign.com>]

The ISP's cooperate. Going after the zombies is, for the
most part, an ineffective approach to the situation. Search
and destroy of the controllers is more effective i.e.
1 controller = 100K downed bots. (example)

There's a ton of work going on behind the scenes.

-M<

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Martin Hannigan                         (c) 617-388-2663
VeriSign, Inc.                          (w) 703-948-7018
Network Engineer IV                       Operations & Infrastructure
hannigan at verisign.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces at ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> william(at)elan.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:52 PM
> To: Barry Shein
> Cc: ASRG list
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] SICS
> 
> 
> 
> It should be ISP's responsibility to help other ISPs and as such most 
> appropriate way to deal with zombies is for ISPs to indicate which of
> their ip blocks are used by broadband end-users and which are 
> real mail
> servers. If majority of ISPs did that, that would effectively cut the
> zombie spam only to be within ISP's own network, which I'm sure they'd
> deal with a lot more promptly (and if they don't its really their
> problem and their users who have to suffer but nobody elses).
> 
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Barry Shein wrote:
> 
> > The idea of complete end-user control is a utopian ideal 
> which died a
> > few years ago when spammers' zombie bots began hitting ISPs by the
> > thousands simultaneously.
> > 
> > At this point there are only two choices, either block at 
> the ingress
> > (e.g., blocking network blocks and similar), or begin 
> charging around
> > $1000/month for e-mail accounts to pay for the bandwidth 
> and hardware
> > necessary to keep up with the unfettered flow (essentially, a
> > dedicated server with a dedicated T1 per mailbox.)
> > 
> > Anyone who says otherwise, notably EFF, is just ignorant.
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> William Leibzon
> Elan Networks
> william at elan.net
> 
> 
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