Re: [Asrg] SICS

["william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>]

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Barry Shein wrote:

> So what you're saying is that anyone with a broadband connection
> should be prevented from delivering email directly.
> 
> I don't disagree, in the current milieu, but I'm sure there are some
> who would disagree.

Everyone who has not agree to be responsible for consequences equvalent to 
having user run its own mail server. I take it that those users with windows
who ended up with zombied machines don't have a clue about this and I
certainly don't want them anywhere near my mail system. A responsible 
tech user with his own linux box is another matter entirely but I believe 
those users can make arrangement with their ISPs to get static ip and have 
that ip included as valid smtp transmission initiating entity.
 
> On December 21, 2004 at 15:51 william at elan.net (william(at)elan.net) wrote:
>  > 
>  > It should be ISP's responsibility to help other ISPs and as such most 
>  > appropriate way to deal with zombies is for ISPs to indicate which of
>  > their ip blocks are used by broadband end-users and which are real mail
>  > servers. If majority of ISPs did that, that would effectively cut the
>  > zombie spam only to be within ISP's own network, which I'm sure they'd
>  > deal with a lot more promptly (and if they don't its really their
>  > problem and their users who have to suffer but nobody elses).
>  > 
>  > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Barry Shein wrote:
>  > 
>  > > The idea of complete end-user control is a utopian ideal which died a
>  > > few years ago when spammers' zombie bots began hitting ISPs by the
>  > > thousands simultaneously.
>  > > 
>  > > At this point there are only two choices, either block at the ingress
>  > > (e.g., blocking network blocks and similar), or begin charging around
>  > > $1000/month for e-mail accounts to pay for the bandwidth and hardware
>  > > necessary to keep up with the unfettered flow (essentially, a
>  > > dedicated server with a dedicated T1 per mailbox.)
>  > > 
>  > > Anyone who says otherwise, notably EFF, is just ignorant.
>  > -- 
>  > William Leibzon
>  > Elan Networks
>  > william at elan.net
-- 
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william at elan.net


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