RE: [Asrg] SICS

["Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan at verisign.com>]

Anyone tried this on the cable swamp?



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces at ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> Barry Shein
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:59 PM
> To: laird at lbreyer.com
> Cc: ASRG list
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] SICS
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know since we block so much at the ingress, such as vast
> swaths of broadband pools which have been a problem, etc.
> 
> It's difficult to measure what you block.
> 
> I will say that another huge part of the problem is the stuff no one
> ever sees which is the bazillions of user unknowns as the spammers use
> various dictionary type attacks. There's far more user unknown
> attempted deliveries than other deliveries.
> 
> So, even if you knew what went (or would go) into peoples' mailboxes,
> opening the floodgates (AKA accepting EFF's point of view) would also
> necessitate sifting through all that spew, increasing costs
> significantly.
> 
> Someone would have to pay for that also, and removing those blocks is
> the only way to allow what's called "end-user control" since you don't
> know it's for a non-existant user until you let them begin delivery.
> 
> 
> On December 22, 2004 at 09:36 laird at lbreyer.com (Laird Breyer) wrote:
>  > On Dec 21 2004, Barry Shein wrote:
>  > >
>  > > At this point there are only two choices, either block 
> at the ingress
>  > > (e.g., blocking network blocks and similar), or begin 
> charging around
>  > > $1000/month for e-mail accounts to pay for the bandwidth 
> and hardware
>  > > necessary to keep up with the unfettered flow (essentially, a
>  > > dedicated server with a dedicated T1 per mailbox.)
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > Since you're an ISP, could you indicate roughly the numbers you are
>  > talking about (per user if you like)?  How many inbound 
> raw mails per
>  > day? How much total mail data (megabytes) per day? How much total
>  > traffic of all types per day? 
>  > 
>  > I don't know if the list already has discussed those kinds 
> of numbers, 
>  > but I'd like to get an idea of the current order of 
> magnitude of the
>  > problem, from the provider's POV. If others have numbers 
> to share for
>  > ISPs, let's hear them too.
>  > 
>  > -- 
>  > Laird Breyer.
>  > 
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