RE: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions

["Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan at verisign.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces at ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> Barry Shein
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:46 PM
> To: laird at lbreyer.com
> Cc: asrg at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions
> 
> 
> 
> On December 28, 2004 at 12:23 laird at lbreyer.com (Laird Breyer) wrote:
>  > On Dec 27 2004, Barry Shein wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > Well, if one wants to resist the idea one merely builds 
> scenarios out
>  > > anything left unsaid which lead to the conclusion that 
> the idea is
>  > > untenable.
>  > 
>  > Generally IMHO, if what is unsaid is large enough to drive a truck
>  > through it's worth narrowing down the unsaid parts. 
> 
[ SNIP ]

> 
> We're talking about near and likely futures.
> 
> It doesn't seem helpful to drag out projections based on the behavior
> of owners of 486/50's running Windows 3.1.

For the most part, we're talking about:

http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-may04.html


> I'm talking more about people in some near future, you know, when all
> this charging is deployed, who continue to resist upgrading their
> computers etc. because they're too cheap or whatever reason. Ok,
> they'll get infected, they'll incur nag charges, their choice.

Some people are dumb and will incur the charges. Fine. After so many
occurances, they get dumped. 

>  > 2) A new computer costs a typical user now on the order of 
> $1000, an
>  > ISP charges on the order of $20 per month. Clearly, the computer is
>  > much more valuable than the ISP service.
>  > 
>  > 3) Fixing a computer by either buying a new one, hiring somebody or
>  > getting one of those magical system cleaning programs costs on the
>  > order of $50 minimum, and is a hassle.
>  > 
>  > 4) The ISP charges $3 as a penalty, per month? 
> 
> Whatever, the charges for e-mail start kicking in. 

The charges for an overage of the flat-rate limits on in/out emails
kick in.

[ snip ]

-M<

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