RE: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions

["Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan at verisign.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces at ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> Devdas Bhagat
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:44 AM
> To: asrg at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Spam, defined, and permissions
> 
> 
> On 28/12/04 10:40 -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> <snip>
> > > 
> > > On 28/12/04 09:46 -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > And exactly how does the telco propose to enforce my 
> > > usage of their
> > > > > server? Post 25 blocks? I just use another port, or I VPN.
> > > > 
> > > > We could play this circle game all day. At some point you're
> > > > going port 25. If you VPN to someone elses system, 
> fine, but they
> > > > end up paying for your traffic if you break their cap.
> > > 
> > > My point is that I control both ends of the VPN, and I 
> have no caps at
> > > either end.
> > > 
> > 
> > So what?
> > 
> > We can play this game all day. Try to
> > understand where I am coming from before you decide to continue
> > to play this losing game and waste both of our efforts:
> > 
> > 1. The rest of the world is the target, the 99.99999% of 
> >    people who simply use Windows and browsers for most of
> >    what they need. Not the .00000001% who are unix genii, 
> >    illuminati, or other highly sophisticated users of the network.
> >    They have their place, but it's not dictating the market.
> 
> Let me put it this way:
> What I can do, a spammer can. Given that a zombied box is under the
> total control of the spammer, this is a reasonable assumption.

Yes, but under the scenario the users are responsible for their
machines like anyone else. We are not talking about total global
annihilation of spam. This is not possible. We are talking about
significant reduction and refocusing of effort so that spam is
a 3 to 8% portion of global email vs. 75% or more. I would be
satisfied if such a system cut spam by 60% or more, and so many 
others. 

SPAM gets reclassified as fraud if it's circumventing a billing
system. 

I don't know how to make it _any_ clearer.

 

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