RE: [Asrg] Please critique my anti-spam system

["Thomas Gal" <ThomasGal at LumenVox.com>]

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	I'm reminded of a time I was using a computer belonging to a not so
tech savvy friend of mine to surf the web. As I'm browsing, I get to to a
site I frequent, where much to my chagrin a POPUP appears telling me that a
popup was blocked. I start thinking about it, and while I used to think that
popup ads advertising popup blockers were the most rediculous thing in the
world, and I'm dumbfounded by the fact that someone installed such a
program. 
	Now clearly you've noticed quite a few people hammering on the flaws
of your proposal, but really it's no less than the brutal interchange that
has become the norm in this space. I will say that one of the common themes
across many of the proposals is forcing a lot of people(users, and
user/transfer/submission agents) to change, which your system does heavily.
Everytime a proposal comes up one of the key weaknesses in all of them
becomes getting EVERYONE to use the system for it to work. But more
importantly I think a LOT of people are resisting, because your "solution"
isn't really a solution at all, it's a "system" for dealing with spam not
solving it. And more than anything it's not a solution, because it requires
human interaction to work. People want to save time, and not get bombarded
by emails that don't server a purpose ( a direct transactional purpose as
opposed to a self serving one). People who deal with this stuff all the time
CRINGE at the thought of anything that sends more contentless emails.
	So the really big difference ends up being, that you're trying to
find a way to get rid of spam, when the more valid question is "how do I
make sure that my mail can legitamately be identified as having come from
me, and get's through to my intended recipient in a timely and efficient
manner which no longer requires my interaction, and can be differentiated
from illegitamate mail so as to not harm my reputation."

-Tom

thomasgal at lumenvox.com  

> 
> > 
> > Eliminating spam for someone else at the cost of increasing 
> it for me 
> > is not an acceptable tradeoff, and I will take action to 
> ensure that 
> > the costs of implementing such a system rebound to the 
> dis-benefit of 
> > the implementer.
> > 
> > Seth
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Well, things have gotten to the point where I'm not saying anything 
> > new, and neither is anyone else.
> > Some have suggested that I am blowing off valid criticisms.  
> > If anything I am merely suffering from a severe lack of 
> insight as I 
> > am still unable to appreciate why the residual flaws are 
> severe enough 
> > to disregard a proposed system that could theoretically 
> conveniently 
> > eliminate spam for so many consumer level email users.  Well, I do 
> > plan on voicing my proposal to a larger venue.  If I then 
> receive the 
> > same level of doubt then I'll just crawl into a corner and start 
> > taking crazy pills.
> 


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