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Re: [Asrg] Blacklisted from posting to asrg


On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Bill Cole wrote:

At 5:58 AM -0700 6/6/05, vwl at elan.net wrote:
Apparently the ASRG chair has decided to blacklist me from posting on my primary address as constructive technical critique of his own proposal
and its security weaknesses is not something he can deal with and is good enough reason to blacklist one of the largest contributors to ASRG who has been here from the beginning (and of course he also failed to mention to me or on the list that I was blacklisted from posting to the list).

On what basis do you believe this? 

There was another post made on Saturday that did not reach the list
(der Mouse can verify as it was addressed to him with cc to the list)

I subsequently let John Levine know that there might be a problem
with mail list system when the post did not show up in any of my
accounts, there was no response received. At some point on Sunday
I made a test post to see if it would reach the list, it did not.

On Monday I used another account to see if mail list server is working (keep in mind I'm also signed up with yet another account but its
separate system and I wanted to test is in particular for the elan mail server to verify it was issue with server or not). That test post reached the list immediately. Based on that I had to conclude that the issue is specific to posting from william at elan.net account that was banned from posting, my view is that there was no inappropriate conduct that would have let to it.

In about 5 minutes after posting account was probably unblocked and
my test post reached the list. The other post still did not.

I see a post from you about BATV on the list yesterday with these headers: 

Yesterday is Sunday. The post you cited did reach the list, the other one
did not. I checked archives as well.

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>
To: John Levine <asrg at johnlevine.com>
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Re: BATV and SES - was forged bounces
In-Reply-To: <20050604173551.20008.qmail at xuxa.iecc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0506041050180.17965 at sokol.elan.net>
References: <20050604173551.20008.qmail at xuxa.iecc.com>


I also see 2 tests, one from william at elan.net:

Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>
To: asrg at ietf.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0506051757360.2487 at sokol.elan.net>


and one from vwl at elan.net, apparently with no From header until it was added by the list server:

That is not true, actually vwl at elan.net is separate account and it sends
emails with "From: vwl at elan.net" and no "pretty name", that is how it is setup. There are people who would remember that william at elan.net was for long time setup the same way (in fact its default way it works on
my mail system, unless name is added as part of MUA preference).

I'll not comment on this issue any more until I get some more info from ASRG or IRTF Chairs, but I'd like to note that in his response John Levine did not state that my complain that messages from me were being blocked is not true. He stated that making such complaints is not appropriate, but I seem to recall it happening number of times on other ietf lists.

According to guidelines at thttp://www.ietf.org/maillist.html

 Inappropriate postings to discussion lists include:
  1 Unsolicited bulk e-mail
  2 Discussion of subjects unrelated to IETF policy, meetings, activities,
    or technical concerns
  3 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject

Mail list administration issues would not fall under 1 or 2 (this is related to ietf/irtf activities), it might fall under 3 depending on
how the complaint is written, but I do not see directly where it says
that discussions of list administration problems are not appropriate.
If it is not I apologize if I made wrong judgment about it based on apparently bad conduct of people on other ietf lists.

In any case if John wants to explain what happened, he can go ahead
and do it privately to me and I'll withdraw the complaint, but I'd
remind him to keep in mind listed above rule #3 for private as well
as public communication.

P.S. For Gadi Evron - I was not evading. I really did post from
different account that was signed up to the list, using multiple
accounts on the same list is not unusual for me and folks at
ASRG know that.

--
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william at elan.net

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