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RE: [Asrg] Blacklisted from posting to asrg
Tut tut, didn't send an immediate response to you on a weekend.
Perhaps he does something else on his weekends? Its not that easy using
a RIM pager while you waterski you know.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asrg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:asrg-bounces at ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of william(at)elan.net
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:25 AM
> To: Bill Cole
> Cc: asrg at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Blacklisted from posting to asrg
>
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Bill Cole wrote:
>
> > At 5:58 AM -0700 6/6/05, vwl at elan.net wrote:
> >> Apparently the ASRG chair has decided to blacklist me from
> posting on
> >> my
> >> primary address as constructive technical critique of his
> own proposal
> >> and its security weaknesses is not something he can deal
> with and is good
> >> enough reason to blacklist one of the largest contributors
> to ASRG who has
> >> been here from the beginning (and of course he also failed
> to mention to me
> >> or on the list that I was blacklisted from posting to the list).
> >
> > On what basis do you believe this?
>
> There was another post made on Saturday that did not reach
> the list (der Mouse can verify as it was addressed to him
> with cc to the list)
>
> I subsequently let John Levine know that there might be a
> problem with mail list system when the post did not show up
> in any of my accounts, there was no response received. At
> some point on Sunday I made a test post to see if it would
> reach the list, it did not.
>
> On Monday I used another account to see if mail list server
> is working
> (keep in mind I'm also signed up with yet another account but
> its separate system and I wanted to test is in particular for
> the elan mail
> server to verify it was issue with server or not). That test
> post reached
> the list immediately. Based on that I had to conclude that
> the issue is
> specific to posting from william at elan.net account that was
> banned from
> posting, my view is that there was no inappropriate conduct
> that would
> have let to it.
>
> In about 5 minutes after posting account was probably
> unblocked and my test post reached the list. The other post
> still did not.
>
> > I see a post from you about BATV on the list yesterday with these
> > headers:
>
> Yesterday is Sunday. The post you cited did reach the list,
> the other one did not. I checked archives as well.
>
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>
> > To: John Levine <asrg at johnlevine.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Asrg] Re: BATV and SES - was forged bounces
> > In-Reply-To: <20050604173551.20008.qmail at xuxa.iecc.com>
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0506041050180.17965 at sokol.elan.net>
> > References: <20050604173551.20008.qmail at xuxa.iecc.com>
> >
> >
> > I also see 2 tests, one from william at elan.net:
> >
> > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>
> > To: asrg at ietf.org
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0506051757360.2487 at sokol.elan.net>
> >
> >
> > and one from vwl at elan.net, apparently with no From header
> until it was
> > added
> > by the list server:
>
> That is not true, actually vwl at elan.net is separate account
> and it sends emails with "From: vwl at elan.net" and no "pretty
> name", that is how it is
> setup. There are people who would remember that
> william at elan.net was for
> long time setup the same way (in fact its default way it
> works on my mail system, unless name is added as part of MUA
> preference).
>
> I'll not comment on this issue any more until I get some more
> info from
> ASRG or IRTF Chairs, but I'd like to note that in his
> response John Levine
> did not state that my complain that messages from me were
> being blocked
> is not true. He stated that making such complaints is not
> appropriate,
> but I seem to recall it happening number of times on other ietf lists.
>
> According to guidelines at thttp://www.ietf.org/maillist.html
>
> Inappropriate postings to discussion lists include:
> 1 Unsolicited bulk e-mail
> 2 Discussion of subjects unrelated to IETF policy,
> meetings, activities,
> or technical concerns
> 3 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject
>
> Mail list administration issues would not fall under 1 or 2 (this is
> related to ietf/irtf activities), it might fall under 3
> depending on how the complaint is written, but I do not see
> directly where it says that discussions of list
> administration problems are not appropriate. If it is not I
> apologize if I made wrong judgment about it based on
> apparently bad conduct of people on other ietf lists.
>
> In any case if John wants to explain what happened, he can go
> ahead and do it privately to me and I'll withdraw the
> complaint, but I'd remind him to keep in mind listed above
> rule #3 for private as well as public communication.
>
> P.S. For Gadi Evron - I was not evading. I really did post
> from different account that was signed up to the list, using
> multiple accounts on the same list is not unusual for me and
> folks at ASRG know that.
>
> --
> William Leibzon
> Elan Networks
> william at elan.net
>
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