Re: [Asrg] New draft draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-01.txt

[Andrew Kirch <trelane at trelane.net>]

Matthew Sullivan wrote:
> SM wrote:
>   
>> At 22:29 30-03-2008, Douglas Otis wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> This is Dave Rand again, again - I am not part of this mailing list,
>>> and am responding via this forum simply to provide facts, figures and
>>> current status.  I continue to be available for questions, comments
>>> and backing data.
>>>     
>>>       
>> I gather that Dave Rand is not following the discussion as he is not 
>> part of the mailing list.  It's not conducive to have a discussion 
>> under these circumstances.
>>   
>>     
>
>
> So who are you and what do you have to do with DNSbls?
>
>
>
>   
>> The DNSL operator is free to have an expiration of 20 years.  This 
>> draft is a BCP.  It's up the operator to determine whether they wish 
>> to follow it or not.
>>   
>>     
>
>
> Speaking as a DNSbl creator/operator/maintainer/owner I would like to 
> point out that 'BCP' stands for 'Best *Current* Practices'...  I see 
> little point in any BCP document that does not actually relate to the 
> *CURRENT* practices whether best or not.  I would expect as a minimum 
> that any document you wish to create would have input from the most used 
> DNSbls in the world (at least the top 3, but I would expect in reality 
> that it were the top 10 or more) and it would actually reflect their 
> current practices where there is common ground. 
>
>
>   
>>> Perhaps I am mis-reading this, or perhaps I'm just confused about the
>>> intent of the draft to insulate service providers from any requirement
>>> of action.  If I am, I apologize to the group.  Again, I am *all for*
>>>     
>>>       
>> If there's any requirement for service providers to act upon, it 
>> makes adoption of the draft more difficult.
>>   
>>     
>
>
>
> Creating a document that mandates or indicates operation other than how 
> the *current* DNSbls operate will make the draft pointless as it will be 
> ignored and the  DNSbl operator will say that they are not going to 
> change their policy for a bunch of people with no clue about real life 
> operation of DNSBls.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mat
>
>   

As all that stuff for the AHBL I amplify and agree with all the points
Mat makes herein.

Andrew
AHBL.org

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