[Asrg] Fwd: attention bonds, was Email Postage

["Al Iverson" <aiverson at spamresource.com>]

Hi Barry,

Somehow your message to the list was misdirected to me by accident.

Regards,
Al Iverson


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Asrg] attention bonds, was Email Postage
To: aiverson at spamresource.com



I think this note labels you clearly a fucking idiot.

Take yourself off the list and then we can all stop bothering you.

Fucking idiot.


On November 25, 2008 at 10:21 aiverson at spamresource.com (Al Iverson) wrote:
 > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, mathew <meta at pobox.com> wrote:
 > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:55, John Levine <johnl at taugh.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> Gosh, I love beating my head against the wall.
 > >
 > > Well, the feeling's mutual. It seems that there's a community of people on
 > > this list who believe that:
 > >
 > > - No system is acceptable if it allows me to say what I consider spam.
 > > - No system is acceptable if it can be bypassed by completely compromising
 > > machines.
 > > - Systems like SMS where people are billed 10 cents a message are
 > > economically impossible.
 > > - No system is acceptable unless it will gain widespread adoption
 > > immediately.
 > > - No system is acceptable unless it is usable by everyone on the Internet.
 > >
 > > ...and so on. Offering nothing positive, these naysayers shoot down every
 > > proposal with the same tired objections that have been addressed over and
 > > over and over as unreasonable or out of touch with reality.
 >
 > As one of the naysayers, please allow me to encourage everybody who
 > thinks they can build such a thing to go do it. I think it's possible.
 > It just takes many millions of dollars, and it won't cover all email,
 > leaving some pretty big gaps.
 >
 > Look at Goodmail....Daniel did it, is doing it. He didn't spend a
 > month of Sundays debating it with geeks on a list. Notice a difference
 > in approach there? Look REALLY closely. (DID IT, vs CRYING ABOUT HOW
 > PEOPLE ARE SO MEAN ABOUT IT NOT BEING A GREAT IDEA.)
 >
 > Look at DNSBLs -- an example of a spam filtering mechanism that is
 > commonly accepted as best practice, even though it is heavily debated
 > by geeks and non-geeks. SORBS, Spamhaus, etc., they just went ahead
 > and did it. They decided the rules and decided to sell themselves, see
 > if they can drive recipient sites to agree and use their filters. To
 > varying degrees, of course, and some DNSBLs are run by morons. But
 > again, what's the difference there? Less debating, more doing.
 >
 > Lessons to learn: There is no need to announce an e-Postage system on
 > this, or any other, geek-laden discussion list. If you do, you will be
 > pelted with eggs. If you want to make something happen, go make
 > something happen. Build it, then try to get people to come.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Al Iverson
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