0 *H 01 0 +0 *H $ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm reminded of a time I was using a computer belonging to a not so tech savvy friend of mine to surf the web. As I'm browsing, I get to to a site I frequent, where much to my chagrin a POPUP appears telling me that a popup was blocked. I start thinking about it, and while I used to think that popup ads advertising popup blockers were the most rediculous thing in the world, and I'm dumbfounded by the fact that someone installed such a program. Now clearly you've noticed quite a few people hammering on the flaws of your proposal, but really it's no less than the brutal interchange that has become the norm in this space. I will say that one of the common themes across many of the proposals is forcing a lot of people(users, and user/transfer/submission agents) to change, which your system does heavily. Everytime a proposal comes up one of the key weaknesses in all of them becomes getting EVERYONE to use the system for it to work. But more importantly I think a LOT of people are resisting, because your "solution" isn't really a solution at all, it's a "system" for dealing with spam not solving it. And more than anything it's not a solution, because it requires human interaction to work. People want to save time, and not get bombarded by emails that don't server a purpose ( a direct transactional purpose as opposed to a self serving one). People who deal with this stuff all the time CRINGE at the thought of anything that sends more contentless emails. So the really big difference ends up being, that you're trying to find a way to get rid of spam, when the more valid question is "how do I make sure that my mail can legitamately be identified as having come from me, and get's through to my intended recipient in a timely and efficient manner which no longer requires my interaction, and can be differentiated from illegitamate mail so as to not harm my reputation." -Tom thomasgal@lumenvox.com > > Eliminating spam for someone else at the cost of increasing > it for me is not an acceptable tradeoff, and I will take > action to ensure that the costs of implementing such a system > rebound to the dis-benefit of the implementer. > > Seth > Well, things have gotten to the point where I'm not saying > anything new, and neither is anyone else. > Some have suggested that I am blowing off valid criticisms. > If anything I am merely suffering from a severe lack of > insight as I am still unable to appreciate why the residual > flaws are severe enough to disregard a proposed system that > could theoretically conveniently eliminate spam for so many > consumer level email users. Well, I do plan on voicing my > proposal to a larger venue. If I then receive the same level > of doubt then I'll just crawl into a corner and start taking > crazy pills. 000  *H 0y10U Root CA10U http://www.cacert.org1"0 UCA Cert Signing Authority1!0 *H  support@cacert.org0 041201212530Z 051201212530Z0<10U Thomas Gal1%0# *H  thomasgal@lumenvox.com0"0  *H 0 }p%:dtU$Z,PwWq^cGwLvw" 9Ǭ&In%4ܧ9N;btn$a\ EVt{>'3zʒȟe0")L-  -/=qI$"B;65ꪈKOj WГ<$cWR+SūaԘ8\T֑0ldB->Nb+WѤ.~hY00 U00V `HB IGTo get your own certificate for FREE head over to http://www.CAcert.org0!U0thomasgal@lumenvox.com0  *H tލBZ1jޞ-X>f""a,reqs05a2Ó-6gY6s1JWD# A'_,x^gYٞ9NYP N ڇ3tnX3n=H\]UKI_jc,0jdXj%Zz~ HBG+oTe^œR_eyآ,! 8`4lvgfiاa"xxo1ɼY`:m ,ȴa 8=W#>Xb8c;HFg}on$.LZڥ Vp"|6?J4;hiߓ3nL5]l!ޞ ٺf27rXɎ^> l[df*zKSy{/ a+~MVڒDAX`efD˔B~ ehQWkzr%[ 2H.0B%k?:SHҶ4zX+[8]fɘמtq r`o34v>$zoE8GAJ. Yתғ}h.݋KX/ꕧTۋQ"þ,x ӊ/?Qe!eE|ALO)!3u Qwi"Ṕ1{8h[+~_rLK Wʑu!7c g>FOp gYͺbA )d)B"xC QKZZqs 00U2Ұ:90U#02Ұ:9ѡ}{0y10U Root CA10U http://www.cacert.org1"0 UCA Cert Signing Authority1!0 *H  support@cacert.org0U002U+0)0'%#!https://www.cacert.org/revoke.crl00 `HB#!https://www.cacert.org/revoke.crl04 `HB'%http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=100V `HB IGTo get your own certificate for FREE head over to http://www.cacert.org0  *H (\5 ojhX>ÐZ`CpbgX 06;Htq>+h4b@F;S(fSM];`yi;eƁ\MU7paj|.T>O!܂EMs7;N˛͚۲p-JذoEH3<2*T#Gdzqc~/ܟ+H%B>Wiw4 Kʠƌ27hs_QIS6 Ly:u pg/y= s og/ ${H5)@`ᖆPzY؏! ς;kV#lH{]NUl{^\W/2(R$CEڗ[1p/ܑ{:1)V[,3_=6 F;(tFHκx)@ Ňi[93SR>= bmz#IEB?\h985ma\qٜf,W3TO EÝȐOK*g|)-9@X[14Ot|W N{t1Q)=#/