Re: [Autoconf] Procedure

["Thomas Heide Clausen" <thomas at thomasclausen.org>]

On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:52 am, Alexandru Petrescu wrote:

> Thomas Heide Clausen a écrit :
>
>> Carlos,
>>
>>
>> Ok, let's try this, then, to see how much of a hurry we're really in:
>>
>>
>> o Jari, can we have our milestone moved another 5 years into the future?
>>
>
> Thomas - can we have agenda requests for the meeting in advance?
>
>
> Or are you going to decide only the DT document gets presented - despite
> the discussion on the draft-bernardos?
>

The working-group is on a tight schedule, and we have specific work to do.
I therefore would suggest that we do not open up for any odd presentation
-- we won't have time for that.

However...

There have been, as I count it, three documents discussed on the list
recently: the Baccelli/Townsley address model document, the
Perkins/Baccelli "link model" document and the Carlos/Ronald address model
document.

The two latter have emerged in the discussions only recently, but appear
to be useful for the WG to have presented.

My *personal* suggestion would be to ask the authors of each of these
three documents to present, and if they're willing to do so of course have
those on the agenda.

As for slides in advance, we always try to get them on-line before the WG
sessions, but as there often is a lot of work ongoing and discussions
happening between WG participants during the IETF week that is being
reflected in the presentations, I'm not sure we can reasonably do much
earlier than that.

Thomas

> I noticed there's a deadline this midnight for the draft agenda.
>
>
> This group never submitted agenda in advance, let alone the slides.
>
>
> Can we follow - not the procedure - but some widely used IETF manners in
> this WG too?
>
> Alex
>
>
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:26 am, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 05:15 -0700, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, October 28, 2009 4:57 am, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> YEs I believe it is unreasonable to adopt that single document
>>>>>> when a competitor document exists and which is technically more
>>>>>> inline with what I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Also, duly note that the draft-bernardos-autoconf-addressing-model
>>>> document did not exist and the chairs (and the WG) were not made
>>>> aware that it was under development, at the time of approval of
>>>> draft-ietf-autoconf-...
>>> True, we have been working on this since last IETF meeting. Had we
>>> (the
>>> authors) known that we were about to adopt a document as WG draft, we
>>> would have submitted it earlier.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I think it'd be better to have a
>>>  discussion on the content of both drafts before really deciding on
>>> which one should be taken as baseline, but this is my personal
>>> opinion. Sorry, but after 5 years working on this (and I've been
>>> contributing to the WG since the very beginning) I don't buy the "we
>>> are in a hurry" argument :-). Discussing both drafts in Hiroshima
>>> would not harm and may be help.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Your opinion is, however, noted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am aware that you wanted to see the other document adopted
>>>>> instead. But note that I said "given the opinions in the group"
>>>>> and not any individual's opinion. We all know that there is no
>>>>> unanimous agreement about this, but I was curious if someone
>>>>> thought that the chairs had somehow missed that a large part of
>>>>> the group disagreed with the idea of adopting the DT document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jari
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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