Re: [Autoconf] On WG progress and draft-ietf-autoconf-adhoc-addr-model
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Re: [Autoconf] On WG progress and draft-ietf-autoconf-adhoc-addr-model



Hi Alex,

There is a case to adapt a DT document in WG without adaption call.
Did you remember we had an adaption call for NEMO-BS?
The PMIP IPv4 support doc was published as a WG doc from the beginning, because the NETLMM WG formed DT.

In AUTOCONF WG, we have decided to publish the first DT doc as an individual document. After 6 months, authors reflects WG agreement to the document (well maybe not your opinion though). I am not repeating the same reasons why we adapt this doc here again. You can refer to other mails from us.

anyway, the adaption call is still open.
We cannot retire the WG doc, but we can replace it if that is the WG consensus.

regards,
ryuji


On 2009/10/28, at 3:12, Alexandru Petrescu wrote:

Charles E. Perkins a écrit :
Hello Alex,
Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
Ryuji Wakikawa a écrit :
Hi all,

Reminder, we currently solicit your opinion.
The deadline is Thursday. We only have few reply from WG.

Ryuji - how can you ask opinion on something you've already done?

This draft _is_ a WG item.

It's called draft-ietf-autoconf-adhoc-addr-model

I propose you first retire it.
There is no procedure for "retiring" a draft.

Yes, I believe so.  I think we may need to propose one.

Our Chairs and DT have brought us to a situation unseen before: ask for consensus _after_ having supposed that consensus existed, and _after_ having acted as if that consensus existed - they submitted and approved submission of a WG item.

If we realize that was wrong, then we need a procedure to deal with that. Ideas feel free to express how to deal with it.

Maybe a new option at tools.ietf.org?

This seems like obstructionism to me.

No, not obstructionism - realism.

I can also call your action of submitting without WG approval as non- legitimacy, but I won't go that far.

The chairs thought there was enough consensus to adopt the
draft and get moving.  There were objections.  The chairs now,
it seems to me, are asking to verify whether there is enough
consensus to confirm the adoption of the draft.
What's so hard about that?

Charles - that is your interpretation.

I have never seen any other time where people submit WG items before having consensus on the WG.

Have you seen?

Alex

Regards,
Charlie P.




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