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Re: [AVT] RE: Carrying SMPTE time-codes in RTP streams, discussion email



On 24 Feb 2005, at 08:47, Dave Singer wrote:
At 1:49 PM -0800 2/23/05, lazzaro wrote:
[Magnus and Dave in discussion on SMPTE]

A. Is it acceptable to get the update a bit late? Using RTCP can easily result in that the time code update arrives up to a few seconds late. However if some latency is acceptable, the RTCP bandwidth and the usage of the AVPF profile can ensure that one maintain a limit on the latency to send the update.


I *think* so...

This is an important point, so further feedback on this is crucial.

I think the right answer to the question is "depends on the app", and separates into two questions:

A. For the app, is associating the wrong SMPTE code with the RTP
stream for a few seconds a disaster?

B. For the app, how much advance notice does it have of an upcoming
SMPTE change?

Apps where A="yes" and B="very little if any" are probably not going
to be happy with the RTCP approach ... apps where A="no" will be
fine with the RTCP approach ... the final class of apps is "it depends".


An example of "B=little if any" is when the SMPTE is changing because
an operator is hitting buttons on a tape-deck controller, and is expecting
the RTP-controlled rack-mount to respond with 5 ms latency over a local
LAN in a reliable way.

Note that the mapping itself in the RTCP can always be right; it's merely a question of whether it arrives too late for the terminal to be able to apply it to the media from the identified timestamp. If indeed the client wants a short buffer, and the source gets no advance notice, and it's not possible to send immediate RTCP packets, there may be an issue.

We might be able to use RTP/AVPF to send early RTCP feedback? Or there might be non-RTP signalling which can convey the mapping (e.g. via RTSP)?


Colin


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