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Re: [Diversity] Diverse-group or non-diverse-group (was: IETF Guidelines for Conduct - draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sat, 31 August 2013 17:45 UTC

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:16:21 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Diverse-group or non-diverse-group (was: IETF Guidelines for Conduct - draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis)
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Hi Allison,
At 07:04 31-08-2013, Allison Mankin wrote:
>I've observed over the years that I have a high threshhold for 
>sending email to a mailing list. Speaking only for myself, I almost 
>always get at least some private responses, and they inflict 
>discomfort often enough for me to not enjoy this communication mode.

Many thanks for saying this.  The private responses inflicting 
discomfort might be one of the reasons why people may be wary of 
sending email to a mailing list.  The public responses can have a 
chilling effect on people who have not commented.

There is an interesting comment at 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg81773.html  My 
guess is that there is a significant number of people (old and new) 
who are wary to get involved in IETF discussions.

>The group you listed are people who demonstrably are less inclined 
>to hesitation.  I read that Facebook has signs up that say "What 
>could I accomplish if I wasn't afraid?" I am trying to remember it 
>for more situations.

:-)

>If people who send sharp responses hesitate more, and people who are 
>nervous think more about what we can accomplish, list participation 
>might become more diverse.

I would look at it differently.  If there were more people who send 
non-sharp responses sharp responses would not be seen as the average.

There was another interesting comment on a mailing list.  I'll quote 
it selectively:

   There was a group that were determined to do X.  So I didn't see 
much benefit
   in pushing my view.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

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