Re: [Ecrit] Why an applicability statement to framework and BCP is not required

[Ted Hardie <hardie at qualcomm.com>]

At 4:28 PM -0700 3/25/09, Richard Barnes wrote:
> > I can't speak for anyone else, but moving forward with text discussions
>> to see if there is a compromise statement here seems more likely to get
>> us out of these weeds.
>
>Sorry, that was meant to be the more important thrust of my message.
>
>Ted, you've been one of the people arguing that text is needed -- could
>you propose some?
>
>--Richard

I personally was fine with the direction of discussion that arose
out of Brian's text.  But again, I am not speaking for anyone else.

			regards,
				Ted




>
>>
>> Two cents,
>>			Ted
>>
>>> Winterbottom, James wrote:
>>>> I agree with the people that have said this debate is farcical.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cellular carriers can and do market their 3G services as wireless
>>>> broadband. In a number of cases, and I can't believe that it is only
>>>> here, services provide open Internet connectivity allowing access to
>>>> independent voice service providers (not IMS). When these services are
>>>> sold in this manner, they are still cellular, but the carrier is really
>>>> just an ISP and the ECRIT model for emergency calling is as applicable
>>>> to them as it is for any DSL ISP. Any specific "cellular" emergency call
>>>> procedures are not invoked, the carrier by the very nature of the
>>>> service they are selling has broken the access-to-voice-service link.
>>>> This makes the ECRIT architecture applicable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The result is that no applicability statement is required in the ECRIT
>>>> documents. Indeed, unless specific statements in the 3GPP specifications
>>>> are made to say that open Internet services SHALL NOT be provided
>>>> through these technologies I can't see how ECRIT is not applicable to
>>>> cellular. I can't see 3GPP adding such a statement, and I think that
>>>> their primary customers would go up in arms if they did. I propose that
>>>> the applicability statement resolution be dropped unless the proponents
>>>> of these applicability statements can stand up and say that open
>>>> Internet services over 3GPP networks don't happen now and will not
>>>> happen in the future or they can point us to a 3GPP specification that
>>>> describes how a totally decoupled access and voice service can deliver
>>>> an emergency call to the correct PSAP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
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