Re: [Ecrit] PhoneBCP

["DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <drage at alcatel-lucent.com>]

I hum for the applicability statement.

I would also note that if we go the way you want to go, we have a hum for whether the document is acceptable without this. Having had the discussion to agree an applicability statement, I warn that I will hum against a document without it.

You need some form of consensus to get the document out of the WG.

regards

Keith 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ecrit-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces at ietf.org] 
> On Behalf Of Winterbottom, James
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:58 PM
> To: Brian Rosen; Richard Barnes; Ted Hardie
> Cc: ECRIT
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PhoneBCP
> 
> My point is that because there was no consensus at the IETF, 
> in fact the document should have remained unchanged.
> 
> I want a hum first as to whether the applicability statement 
> is required at all. As I have stated more then one I don't 
> believe it is, and no reasonable argument has yet been 
> provided to changed my mind.
> 
> So let us first establish with a clear consensus that the 
> applicability statement is required.
> 
> I HUM against the inclusion of an applicability statement.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br at brianrosen.net]
> Sent: Sat 4/25/2009 1:04 PM
> To: Winterbottom, James; 'Richard Barnes'; 'Ted Hardie'
> Cc: 'ECRIT'
> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] PhoneBCP
>  
> Actually, I think the list hum is whether or not you accept 
> the change, as proposed, and consider the document ready to 
> send to the IESG.  It's kind of a combination of is an 
> applicability statement acceptable, and is this particular 
> one acceptable (and are you otherwise okay with the document, 
> which is implied in Marc's message, but I think important to 
> recognize).
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ecrit-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces at ietf.org] 
> On Behalf Of Winterbottom, James
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: Richard Barnes; Ted Hardie
> Cc: ECRIT
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PhoneBCP
> 
> So is this turning into a list "hum" as to whether we should 
> have an applicability statement or not?
> 
> ISTM that this would be an appropriate course of action given 
> the lack on consensus at the actually meeting.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> James
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ecrit-bounces at ietf.org on behalf of Richard Barnes
> Sent: Fri 4/24/2009 9:32 PM
> To: Ted Hardie
> Cc: ECRIT
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PhoneBCP
>  
> +1
> 
> 
> Ted Hardie wrote:
> > At 11:23 AM -0700 4/24/09, Marc Linsner wrote:
> >>
> <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp
> -09.txt>http:/
> /www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-phonebcp-09.txt
> >>
> >> At the San Francisco meeting and ensuing list threads, the 
> last issue
> around PhoneBCP was whether or not to include an 
> 'applicability statement'.
> The hum during the meeting was inconclusive.  The draft 
> editor has included text in this latest version in an attempt 
> to compromise on this issue.
> >>
> >> Please review this version and respond by Friday May 1 to 
> the list as 
> >> to
> your acceptance of this change.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Marc, Hannes, & Roger
> > 
> > I support the current draft going forward to publication requested.
> > 
> > 				regards,
> > 					Ted
> > 
> > 
> > 
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