Re: [Ecrit] FW: [Geopriv] Winterbottom-ecrit-direct considered

["Dawson, Martin" <Martin.Dawson at andrew.com>]

And - of course - anybody can make a 9-1-1 call from a phone on the campus. Nothing changes just because it's IP as opposed to circuits.

Cheers,
Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Henning Schulzrinne [mailto:hgs at cs.columbia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 October 2009 1:08 PM
To: Dawson, Martin
Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; ecrit at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] FW: [Geopriv] Winterbottom-ecrit-direct considered


On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Dawson, Martin wrote:

>
> It can't be helped if you have over sold the benefits of VSP
> involvement to yourself and others Brian. It is time to have a
> reasoned debate. From my perspective, the argument that there is no
> "subscription" involved is patently false. There has to be a
> subscription of some description in order to get to the Internet.
> Yes, there is free public Internet access (just as there are free
> courtesy phones on the PSTN and free access to emergency services
> from pay phones. All these services are still connected to the
> public Internet infrastructure and they all represent an "operator"
> with some level of information about the caller.

Without weighing in on the rest of the discussion, that level can be
pretty minimal. Columbia University allows anybody to use the 802.11
service, without authentication, as does Panera Bread and any number
of non-chain cafes. Thus, we should be careful to distinguish
knowledge of the caller's location from that of his or her identity.
As noted, this is essentially like a pay phone.

Henning