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Re: [Enum] ENUM Working Group Last call on ENUM Implementation Experiences



Peter Koch wrote:
Jim,

On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 08:40:52PM +0100, Jim Reid wrote:


Gentlemen I'm not getting s sense of resolution here. The Experiences 04 draft has gone through last call and if there are revisions required to satisfy consensus we need to resolve those issues ASAP.

Peter what do you want the authors to do?

The chairs would like to get this draft into the hands of the IESG as soon as possible.


First off, even a modest NAPTR RRset will comfortably exceed a 512 byte payload. My ENUM zone (3.2.5.2.5.8.8.9.6.1.4.4.e164.arpa) contains 6 NAPTR RRs. Which is on the low side for reasonable usage.

just as a data point, not to argue about the 'reasonable' size: under +49 the average number of NAPTRs in an RRSet is a little above 2, with very few going beyond 5 and the largest having 14 NAPTR RRs.

etc, etc. This lookup gets a 507 byte response. And that's with dropping potentially useful data from the Additional Section as well as optimal label compression. With EDNS0, the Additional Section

Compression is mandatory and there's not much useful in the additional section in this case, given today's anti-poisoning measures.

isn't "truncated" and the full response is 602 bytes.

No doubt there's a gain (for size, no real one here) with EDNS0 and we are in violent agreement that EDNS0 is just 'state of the art' (more precisely: EDNS0 _and_ reasonable buffer size).

draft says "All servers involved in ENUM resolution". The client doing the lookup or the server resolving that ENUM lookup does not have a priori knowledge of the size of the target zone's NAPTR RRset.

There are servers 'involved in ENUM resolution' that don't even serve NAPTR RRSets and depending on your setup you might be able to know how large NAPTR responses will grow. Again agreed, i do not think aiming at 512 is reasonable in the latter case.

Mandating EDNS0 with good buffer sizes is not only essential and prudent, it's just an application of the "be liberal in what you receive" principle.

Supporting EDNS0 is just good practice, but the arguments did not support the claim. Anyway, how can i argue against a non-normative 'MUST'?

Even at 6 NAPTRs -- which is by no means XXL sized -- using EDNS0 is

Sorry for being lazy w.r.t. "XXL" -- i meant that to indicate an RRSet bringing the response > 512 octets.

to get the data that could/should have been in the Additional Section. That extra latency is bad news, especially on things like GPRS networks.

Cool, tell that the low TTL advocates. The additional section doesn't solve the problem, though.

We will have to sort this out over a few beers at RIPE52. :-)

That sounds intersting enough to postpone further detailed discussion :-)

-Peter

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