RE: [Geopriv] "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise
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RE: [Geopriv] "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise



Title: "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise

Hi Barbara,

 

I am a little confused by this response.

 

Expressing the civic location types in the PIDF-LO is one issue.

Being able to request just a jurisdictional civic, or just a postal civic using HELD is a different issue.

 

I don’t think issue one is really resolved, but I also don’t think that it has any direct bearing on issues 2.

 

Your last sentence makes me think that you see some benefit in leaving jurisdictionalCivic and postalCivic in HELD. Is that right?

 

Cheers

James

 

 


From: Stark, Barbara [mailto:bs7652 at att.com]
Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 3:51 AM
To: Marc Berryman; Mary Barnes; geopriv at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Geopriv] "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise

 

The impression I was left with, was that it was possible to describe a particular physical civic location with a single PIDF-LO. Within that LO there may be jurisdictional and postal fields. These are already defined in the PIDF-LO docs. The street address (and possibly the jurisdictional community name) may have several (not just 2) "correct" ways to express it, but it should be possible to translate from one to another, so only one needs to be kept in the LIS.

 

What appeared to be touched on, but never really discussed, was whether there needed to be the ability to say "I would like to have the mailing address for where I am." As Guy and Jerome mentioned, the location of the mailbox does not necessarily coincide with the physical location of the device making the request.

 

So, I don't see value in separate jurisdictional and postal requests to describe a single physical location, because both should be expressible within a single PIDF-LO. There MAY be value in being able to request the mailing address for a physical location.

Barbara 

 


From: Marc Berryman [mailto:MBerryman at 911.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:08 PM
To: Mary Barnes; geopriv at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Geopriv] "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise

Mary,

 I do not think that Jurisdiction and Postal need to be the same, often they are not the same, since postal rarely follows the same “boundaries” as jurisdictional. Since they may, or may not, be the same is the reason they are both included. You can not assume they are the same.

 

Marc B

 

Marc Berryman, ENP
Geographic Information Systems
Greater Harris County 9-1-1 Emergency Network
Houston, Texas      (713) 407-2254
mberryman at 911.org


From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.barnes at nortel.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:02 AM
To: geopriv at ietf.org
Subject: [Geopriv] "Postal" and "Jurisdicational" civic locations - reprise

 

Hi all,

This thread never seemed to conclude with clear consensus as to whether folks see a need for both these specific location types rather than being able to use a common "civic" locationType.     I went back through the threads and the majority of the responses indicated that both of the values should be the same (with Canada being the exception?).   Since the thread did diverge somewhat (into how conversions etc. are done), I would like to do a quick query to see if folks are okay with removing those two values from the locationType in the HELD draft?  

And, just to be precise, we're proposing changing locationType from a set of {any, civic, geodetic, postalCivic, jurisdictionalCivic, locationURI} to a set of

{any, civic, geodetic, locationURI}. 

Regards,
Mary
Editor HELD

 




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