Re: [Geopriv] Our meeting today

["Brian Rosen" <br at brianrosen.net>]

The agenda had a CHARTER item on OBO: should an OBO discussion be in the
charter?  I assumed that such a DISCUSSION would be included.  That opens
the door to a dialog.

What I don't think we were prepared for was to have the discussion itself.
There was insufficient time in the agenda for that.  I don't think the right
people were there, because we didn't advertise the agenda item that way.

That's how I saw it.

If you didn't see it that way, then you should have addressed that in the
agenda; preferably before the meeting, but at least in the agenda bash.

An agenda item to discuss your draft, and the entire OBO question, would
have required substantially more than the time allotted in the agenda.

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Linsner [mailto:mlinsner at cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:50 AM
> To: Brian Rosen; 'GEOPRIV'
> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Our meeting today
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I believe you are wrong!  We were prepared, please see below.
> 
> >
> > In this meeting, the elephant in the room was OBO.  We were NOT prepared
> to
> > discuss OBO.  We did not arrange the agenda in advance to discuss OBO
> and we
> > did not have enough of the right people in the room.  I think the chair
> > appropriately handled that situation.
> >
> The OBO topic was launched long ago, it appears in
> draft-winterbottom-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-04.txt, from November
> 2007.  This draft is now at -06, it was presented to the wg for the first
> time at the interim meeting June 12th.  I launched a discussion titled OBO
> on the list 8 days after the interim meeting, please see:
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg05729.html
> The ensuing list discussion spanned at least 41 emails (a quick count) in
> that thread.
> 
> I submitted draft-linsner-geopriv-obo-00 prior to the 00 deadline.  I
> asked
> for agenda time to discuss the topic.  The agenda was updated July 18th
> clearing showing a discussion on my draft.  Please see:
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg06048.html
> To save you reading the whole message:
> 
> "30m      Charter review                           Robert
>           including "What kind of OBO-like work can we do?"
>             (please review list discussion prior to meeting)
>             draft-linsner-geopriv-obo-00.txt"
> 
> The right people in the room is a non-argument.  If you believe this has
> bearing to IETF meeting procedures you can confirm this tonight at open
> mic
> in the plenary.
> 
> Everything was done per correct procedure.
> 
> So, Brian, please explain your basis for your conclusion above.
> 
> -Marc-
> 


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