Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague deadline Monday/Possible W3C Workshop?

Yutaka OIWA <y.oiwa@aist.go.jp> Mon, 31 January 2011 11:51 UTC

To: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
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From: Yutaka OIWA <y.oiwa@aist.go.jp>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:54:37 +0900
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Subject: Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague deadline Monday/Possible W3C Workshop?
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Dear Harry and all,

"Harry Halpin" <hhalpin@w3.org> writes:

> Another idea would be to hold an informal bar-BOF at Prague if the BOF
> can't be put together quickly enough as a bar-BOF would require less work
> and give us more time to bake the tech ideas or charter. I'll leave this
> decision in the hands of more experienced IETF folks.

In both ways, anyway, we will need a good-direction proposal and
agenda.  It is hard for me to write a "good" one, but I made a "bad" :-)
one as a starting point.

Please consider it for improvements and rephrasing.  Thanks Harry for
providing a very good descriptions which I've used as a staring point.

 * Things to consider:

   - agenda not yet written
   - goal: currently ambiguous (intentionally); to discuss, or to form WG?

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Description:

The current authentication methods used in the Web system is prone to
various serious vulnerabilities, including password eavesdropping,
password stealing, session hijack, and phishing.  Because of the lack
of a good/secure support for web application authentication in the
HTTP layer, people tends to use HTML forms for authentication, which
are by nature insecure.

This problem should be solved as soon as possible to mitigate the
impact of Web authentication-related frauds to the Internet
users. However, to solve this problem, the resulting technologies
should be carefully designed so that these will be well deployable to
the real-world applications.

Recently we have several new proposals for securing Web/HTTP
authentications, some of which has a proposed drafts.  In addition,
the work of the HTTPBIS working group is about to finish, and it will
require some maintenance works for the HTTP existing authentication
mechanism, at least the registrations to IANA.

The purpose of the proposed BoF is to pursue creation of IETF working
groups on various HTTP authentication issues.  The possible topics of
the future working group may include the following topics:

 * Introduction of much more secure authentication mechanisms as
   extensions to the HTTP.

 * Introduction of technologies which will enable more sophisticated
   use of HTTP authentication in application layer.

 * Research on the secure ways of Web/HTML authentications and
   required protocol-side support for them

 * Maintenance of existing HTTP authentication extensions (other than
   Basic and Digest), either checking its httpbis-conforming or making
   it historic.

 * Proposing addition of authentication schemes to the IANA registry
   as proposed by httpbis.

Both BoF and possible future working group expect well coordination with
W3C's effort on the related topics.

BoF proposed agenda:

 * Topics to be discussed in the future working group

 * TBD

Logistical informations:

BoF Chairs: TBD
BOF Proponents: Harry Halpin, Yutaka OIWA, ... (TBD)
People expected: 50
Length of session: 90min
Conflicts to avoid: Working Groups in the APP and SEC areas
WebEX: no
Responsible AD: Peter Saint-Andre, Alexey Melnikov (tentative)
Goal: to pursue creation of IETF working groups
Drafts:  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-oiwa-http-mutualauth-08; more to be discussed
Mailing List: HTTP http-auth mailing list
Mailing List Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/http-auth/
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Yutaka OIWA, Ph.D.                                       Research Scientist
                            Research Center for Information Security (RCIS)
    National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST)
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Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Harry Halpin
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yoav Nir
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yutaka OIWA
[http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague dea… Harry Halpin
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yutaka OIWA
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Harry Halpin
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yutaka OIWA
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Peter Saint-Andre
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Peter Saint-Andre
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yutaka OIWA
Re: [http-auth] HTTP Auth Next BOF at IETF Prague… Yoav Nir