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Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks

From: Jamie Lokier <jamie at shareable.org>
To: Pieter Hintjens <ph at imatix.com>
Cc: hybi at ietf.org
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:47:27 +0000
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Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> Clearly since port 80 is often the
> only way in or out of a network, upgrades over HTTP are essential for
> pragmatic reasons.

Pragmatically, if upgrade over HTTP isn't used, application developers
will just carry on using long-polling over HTTP instead.  Which is
perfectly valid, if unpleasant.

(Btw, you should have seen the network where ICMP ECHO was the only
way in and out.  The administrators were curious why I had fast web
access and nobody else did, and also curious why their packet stats
showed more ICMP ECHOs than any other kind of packets :-)

-- Jamie

References:
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
  - From: Pieter Hintjens

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