Re: [hybi] Max frame size

Scott Ferguson <ferg@caucho.com> Thu, 23 June 2011 16:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] Max frame size
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On 06/23/2011 04:26 AM, Brodie Thiesfield wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Francis Brosnan Blázquez
> <francis@aspl.es>  wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>>> No. It's like a HTTP chunked POST, where the application receives a
>>> stream of data, not the underlying HTTP chunks.
>>>
>>> A server (or client) which exposes the frames as its primary API is
>>> doing it wrong.
>
>> ..and you really think this API is suitable for a message oriented
>> protocol? (I assuming your fread concept will return bytes as it comes
>> not complete messages)
> Scott understood you and was only talking about the data, however the
> file stream API metaphor might be distracting.
>
> Websocket is a message based protocol, but the message contents are
> byte streams that might be split into any number of frames. So your
> websocket layer notifies your upper layer only of the messages and
> bytes. The frames are a websocket layer concept that the next layer
> has no need to know of.

+1

Yes, that's exactly what I'd meant.

If you use the stream model (assuming it's not too distracting), the 
FILE/fread ends when the message ends. Each new message produces a new 
FILE as the new stream which ends when the new message is fully read.

The application sees messages as distinct byte/char-streams but doesn't 
see the frames.

For example, the API could have a callback to the application for each 
message:

class WebSocketHandler {
   void onBinaryMessage(InputStream is);
   void onTextMessage(Reader in);
}

The InputStream/Reader produces bytes/chars until the message is done 
and then returns EOF.

-- Scott

> The websocket layer will tell the upper layer about the start of a
> message, then feed it bytes until the message is complete, then tell
> it that the message is complete. The bytes may come from a single
> frame, or multiple frames. The upper layer has no need to know.
>
> Think of the processing as something like the following (note that
> control frames, compression, etc is ignored):
>
> while have connection:
>      receive frame header
>      if first frame in message:
>          notify application layer of the start of a message
>      receive bytes up to max of frame length:
>          pass bytes up to the application layer as message data
>      if last frame in message:
>          notify application layer that the message is complete
>
> The frames are never notified to the application layer. It doesn't need to know.
>
> Brodie
>
>
>

[hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blázquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Willy Tarreau
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Norio Kobota
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Arman Djusupov
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Willy Tarreau
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Andy Green (林安廸)
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Scott Ferguson
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Iñaki Baz Castillo
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blázquez
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Andy Green (林安廸)
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Brodie Thiesfield
Re: [hybi] Max frame size Scott Ferguson