On 19/10/14 17:26, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> To elaborate just a bit..
> 
> Richard Hill wrote:
>> I support that suggestion.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ianaplan [mailto:ianaplan-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Brian E
>>> Carpenter
>>> Sent: samedi, 18. octobre 2014 06:44
>>> To: ianaplan@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-01.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> I generally support the changes in this version.
>>>
>>> I suggest that at the point where the IAOC is defined, it would be
>>> helpful to also mention the IETF Trust. Something like:
>>>
>>> The members of the IAOC are also the trustees of the IETF Trust, whose
>>> main purpose is to hold certain intellectual property for the benefit of
>>> the IETF as a whole.
> 
> Perhaps the place to mention this is in Section 0 (Proposal Type) - by
> elaborating on the statement that this proposal "represents the view of
> the IAB and the IETF" - by adding IAOC and IETF to the list, maybe
> others as well (e.g., ISOC).
> 
> What I suggest is that the very first paragraph provide background as to
> the IETF, its role, its function (specifically re. protocol parameters),
> and the various component entities that together comprise the IETF as
> the term is generally used.
> 
> Something like this, perhaps (note that I've quoted quite a bit from the
> IETF web site - the lawyers probably need to clarify some points, as
> indicated below):
> 
> -----
> The IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) is the voluntary
> international standards body responsible for Internet Technical
> Standards, specifically including Internet protocol parameters.
> Architectural Oversight is provided by the Internet Architecture Board
> (IAB).  Both the IAB and IESG are chartered by the Internet Society. 
> The authority of the IETF, in these matters, is recognized implicitly
> and explicitly by both US and international law and treaty that differs
> matters of technical standards to duly constituted voluntary standards
> organizations <perhaps the lawyers can provide a good citation here>. 
> For legal and contractual purposes, the IETF acts through the <IETF
> Secretariat, the IAOC, and the IETF Trust --- need somebody to define
> these, and their roles, explicitly>.  For purposes of this document, we
> use the term IETF to refer to the combination of these entities.
> 
> Coordination of protocol parameters is performed, as directed by IETF,
> is performed by The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
> <http://www.ietf.org/glossary.html#IANA>, which is chartered by by the
> Internet Society (ISOC) to act as the clearinghouse to assign and
> coordinate the use of numerous Internet protocol parameters.  The IANA
> function is currently performed by ICANN, under the provisions of the
> IANA Functions Contract between NTIA (US Government) and ICANN, and an
> MoU executed between the IETF and ICANN.
> -----

YUK.

Should any such background be desirable, it would IMO be crazy
for it to be written by someone who has not been involved in
the technical work of the IETF. (Which I conclude from the text
above is the case here, be interesting if I'm wrong about that:-)
And definitely not by lawyers who haven't been technically
involved in the real work of the IETF.

In case that wasn't definitive: YUK, YUK, YUK:-)

Sorry if my tone there seems dismissive but the text above is
truly multi-dimensionally horrible.

S.


> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>
>>> (I realise that there is no further mention of the Trust in the
>>> document, but it seems very likely to come up in subsequent
>>> discussions.)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>     Brian Carpenter
>>>
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> Miles Fidelman
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