Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discussion
"Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch> Sun, 16 November 2014 10:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discussion
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie] > Sent: samedi, 15. novembre 2014 18:54 > To: rhill@hill-a.ch; John C Klensin > Cc: Milton L Mueller; ianaplan@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discussion > > > > > On 15/11/14 16:20, Richard Hill wrote: > > Let's agree to disagree, because, from my point of view, the IETF is not > > focussing on all the relevant issues. > > Right, my reading of the list traffic is that I reckon that you > and others who have what I think is your point of view, by which > I mean the folks who'd like the draft to do "more" and be more > legalistic and who aren't (yet!) involved with the technical work > of the IETF.... just do not share the IETF's point of view, The NTIA explicitly requested inputs from the "global multistakeholder community", which is broader than the people who are involved with the technical work of the IETF. Using the IETF process to solict those broad inputs for the protocol parameter part of the IANA function struck me as very sensible, because the IETF process is inherently open to all participants. However, I now perceive that the intent is that decisions should be made on the basis of the positions and preferences expresed by "those who are involved with the technical work of the IETF", and that the "IETF's point of view" regarding the transition of the protocol parameters will be the point of view of that narrow subset of the "global multistakeholder community". If I had understood at the beginning that that was the intent, I probably would not have wasted everybody's time by bringing a different point of view, based on different knowledge and experience, to this discussion. I apologize for my misundertanding and for any inconvenience that it may have caused. > for > example that we'd likely prefer to just drop the term IANA and > pick another way to handle protocol parameters if using that > term required sorting out a load of problematic legalities. > > S. >
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eric Rescorla
- [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discus… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… jnoulaye@yahoo.fr
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrei Robachevsky
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Russ Mundy
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Brian E Carpenter
- [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol parameters r… Steve Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol paramete… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol paramete… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol paramete… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol paramete… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol paramete… Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- [Ianaplan] Lawyering [was Proposed text reflectin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- [Ianaplan] consensus and acknowledgement [was: Pr… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jefsey
- [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposal (W… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposa… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposa… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Peterson, Jon
- [Ianaplan] RFC 7282: the conclusion. JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposa… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposa… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jari Arkko
- [Ianaplan] Caricature position 3 (was: Re: Propos… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus process for IETF proposa… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Caricature position 3 (was: Re: Pr… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Caricature position 3 Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] consensus and acknowledgement [was… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] consensus and acknowledgement [was… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Seth Johnson
- [Ianaplan] "... data in the protocol parameters r… Steve Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 di… Bernard Aboba