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Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discussion

"Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch> Mon, 17 November 2014 11:30 UTC

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From: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, "Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Farrell" <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
To: "Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch>; "Eliot Lear" <lear@cisco.com>; 
"Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>; "Milton L Mueller" 
<mueller@syr.edu>; "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in>
Cc: <ianaplan@ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91 discussion


>
>
> On 17/11/14 11:06, Richard Hill wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Farrell"
>> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> To: "Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch>;
>> "Eliot Lear" <lear@cisco.com>; "Peterson, Jon"
>> <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>; "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>;
>> "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> Cc: <ianaplan@ietf.org> Sent:
>> Monday, November 17, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed
>> text reflecting IETF91 discussion
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> On 17/11/14 10:33, Richard Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Farrell"
>>>> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> To: "Richard Hill"
>>>> <rhill@hill-a.ch>; "Eliot Lear" <lear@cisco.com>; "Peterson,
>>>> Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>; "Milton L Mueller"
>>>> <mueller@syr.edu>; "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> Cc:
>>>> <ianaplan@ietf.org> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Proposed text reflecting IETF91
>>>> discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/11/14 10:09, Richard Hill wrote:
>
> Would you prefer to be told you're wrong by people who do not
> know about protocol parameters or something? ;-)

Yes, I am asking that my points be evaluated by people who know about legal 
and contractual issues.  All I'm asking is that the issues in questions be 
submitted to competent experts, such as the IAOC.

You, and others, take the view that it is obvious that there is no need to 
submit such issues to such experts.

But I submit that only the experts can decide whether or not the issues are 
consequential enough to require actions, such as new contractual clauses.

SNIP

>> I do not think that it suffices as a proper response to the ICG's
>> RFP.
>
> So yet another "I disagree for some unstated reason" arm-wave? If
> you have a specific reason why the draft as a whole does not do
> that,

I have done my best to attempt to explain that.

>then start a thread on that with your suggested text

No need to start a thread,  I have already suggested text, and my proposal 
was rejected.  The rejection is not an issue per se, but I think that it is 
an issue because of the reasons for the rejection.

Since we've aired that topic at length, I propose that we agree do disagree.

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