All, As an FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model. Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:34:20 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: Hong Xue <hongxueipr at gmail.com>,NameCritic <namecritic at blogs.pn>,at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org References: <489DB449.9050507 at vande-walle.eu><54535d540808091503k51f6fd61w9050270d7483197c at mail.gmail.com><008401c8fa80$a76ebf30$0201a8c0 at namecritic> <54535d540808091829x456983e6t38f57633bd7d813f at mail.gmail.com> Hong and all, I would agree. But that's not the "ICANN Way", and never has been, and will not likely be unless or until they are forced to do so. Only DOC/NTIA can accomplish such, which is also not likely but does provide a ray of hope. ICANN needs/wants lots of $$. Auctioning off gTLD's or IDN gTLD's is a good way of accumulating a goodly sum in a fairly short period of time. My silent inside sources today have told me this is already a "Done Deal". The announcment was only to give the appearance that such is only now a consideration up for discussion/debate. A debate rat hole. Happy rat hole chasing/discussing/debating! >:) Hong Xue wrote: > What Chris said reminds me of the ALAC statement at the ICANN Public Forum: > ICANN should encourage the IDN gTLDs be run by the small-scale, > non-commercial and language community-base registries. But under the auction > model, these applicants will be simply out of the question. > > Hong > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:33 AM, NameCritic <namecritic at blogs.pn> wrote: > > > I couldn't agree more and in addition to that, ICANN's staff and BoD seems > > to think the only viable business plan for a registry or TLD owner is to > > sell domain names. What if a person has different goals or a business plan > > that is unique and not just money-motivated, yet they prove they can manage > > a TLD from a technical standpoint? > > > > They could be giving domain names away and it should not matter to ICANN > > and ICANN should not assume they know a good business plan from a bad one. > > It is not their function, nor is it their strong suit to evaluate business > > plans. > > > > Even those in the past who thought they were qualified to do so shot down > > business plans because they did not see them as a standard type of plan or > > one they thought would work. Take Xerox giving away their technlogy for > > computer interface or hewlett packard turning down the pc or IBM passing up > > opportunities in the software business. > > > > When ICANN puts itself into the position of having to approve the business > > plan of a prospective TLD owner, they put themselves in the liable position > > of having approved that business plan should it fail. If they do not approve > > someone's business plan, then they are restricting free enterprise and free > > trade by not allowing them to try it. > > > > ICANN's process of approving TLDs and putting prohibitive costs on the > > process is flawed and favors large business over small business. This is not > > fair to small business owners and those at ICANN know it. > > > > Years ago, the federal gov approved 60 million dollars to remodel houses in > > downtown Philadelphia. They told the city that they could have the money > > only if they also allowed small contractors to bid on those jobs rather than > > just the big companies. The city agreed. Then behind closed doors, after > > accepting the money, they decided to add a stipulation. That anyone could > > bid those jobs, but they would have to pay for all the materials and labor > > out of pocket and wait one year after completion to be reimbursed by the > > city. They knew full well this meant that small contractors would not be > > able to do so. > > > > ICANN, by charging such a high fee is barring small business owners from > > creating their own TLD while they tell everyoine it is open to everyone. > > It's a scam. > > > > Chris McElroy > > Dot SEO TLD > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr at gmail.com> > > To: <patrick at vande-walle.eu> > > Cc: <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementation > > andauctioning model. > > > > > > > > Thanks for drawing our attention on this paper. Given that the new gTLD > >> process embraces the IDN TLDs, the paper presents a very surprising, or > >> shocking view, on allocation of TLDs. If the paper is primarily on the > >> economic consideration, I wonder if the ICANN has any other consideration, > >> such as protecting cultural diversity and bridging digital divide, on > >> selection of new gTLDs (IDN gTLDs). As a governing body of a critical > >> Internet resources, ICANN should envisage the values that are more > >> important > >> and fundamental than the highest bidding amount. I echo what has been > >> precisely stated by Vittorio: > >> > >> Another wrong assumption is that monetary value is the only quantity that > >> counts.In fact, personally I think that the "value" of a TLD is mostly > >> connected to other factors. For example, one is how many final users of > >> the > >> Internet will ever use services located inside that TLD; another one is > >> how > >> strongly these people will feel attached to that TLD, i.e. whether the TLD > >> contributes to build any kind of "community identity" for an online group > >> of > >> people that presently does not have it; a third one is whether the new TLD > >> will spawn innovative uses of the DNS or enable innovative services. None > >> of > >> these is directly connected to monetary value, and it is quite disturbing > >> to > >> me that an organization like ICANN, which is meant to steward scarce > >> global > >> public resources in the interest of the entire community of the Internet, > >> still seems to have such a partial and narrow view of where the value of > >> the > >> Internet itself lies. > >> Hong > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Patrick Vande Walle > >> <patrick at vande-walle.eu > >> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >> > >> http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-08aug08-en.htm > >>> > >>> ICANN has published a paper from its contractor PowerAuctions LLC, > >>> regarding the use of auctions to award new TLD strings in case of > >>> contention. > >>> > >>> http://icann.org/en/topics/economic-case-auctions-08aug08-en.pdf > >>> > >>> I think it would be important that the At Large speaks up. The model > >>> proposed in the document is a purely capitalistic one. It is based on > >>> the assumption that all gTLDs are created to make as much money as > >>> possible. Smaller, community based TLDs seem quite difficult to launch > >>> in such context. > >>> > >>> The mere possibility of auctions will actually generate contention on > >>> some strings. The little guys wishing to establish a not-for-profit TLD > >>> will be outplayed by the wealthy ones. > >>> > >>> A public forum has been established at > >>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/auction-consultation/. > >>> Comments to auction-consultation at icann.org before 8 September 2008. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Patrick Vande Walle > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> At-Large mailing list > >>> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> > >>> > >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> > >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> At-Large mailing list > >> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ ietf-nomcom mailing list ietf-nomcom at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-nomcom
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