Re: [ietf-nomcom] Confidentiality and information from former NomCom members

["Spencer Dawkins" <spencer at wonderhamster.org>]

OK, I'd really like for someone to tell us what this text was intended to 
allow, because I'm seeing a past NomCom chair saying that it's obviously 
broken, but the text is in the process BCP...

:-(

Thanks,

Spencer


> I don't know what to make of that text.  While I can imagine exceptions, as 
> a general rule that is so obviously a bad idea that it never occurred to me 
> it was within the rules.
>
> Joel
>
> Bernie Hoeneisen wrote:
> > Hi Ralph, Joel et al.
> >
> > I looks like there is no common understanding of the following part of 
> > RFC 3777:
> >
> >     "It is consistent with this rule for current nominating committee
> >      members who have served on prior nominating committees to advise
> >      the current committee on deliberations and results of the prior
> >      committee, as necessary and appropriate."
> >
> > Could anybody explain this further (what does this forbid/allow?), and in 
> > particular for what reason it was put there when RFC 3777 was drafted?
> >
> > cheers,
> >  Bernie
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Ralph Droms wrote:
> >
> > > Joel - I agree with your interpretation of the confidentiality 
> > > requirements. When I was in the situation you are in now, as past NomCom 
> > > chair I do not think I had the right to make any of the information from 
> > > the NomCom I chaired to the subsequent NomCom to which I was an advisor. 
> > > And I would not want to change that rule.
> > >
> > > - Ralph
> > >
> > > On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:01 AM 6/3/09, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't read things the same way you do.
> > > > I don't think someone who was on nomcom A and is now on nomcom B can 
> > > > tell B "nomcom A, in discussing person X, found major problem Y."  Nor, 
> > > > in fact, can they relay any other aspects of the discussion within 
> > > > nomcom A to nomcom B.
> > > > They can say "Personally, I have problem Y with person X."
> > > > There are of course multiple gray areas in between.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming that my reading is accurate, I would also prefer not to change 
> > > > that.  (To take an extreme example, I have a fairly good archive of 
> > > > last year's nomcom.  As far as I am concerned I can not, and should not 
> > > > be allowed to, forward that archive to Mary, or to her committee, even 
> > > > though I am an advisor to that committee and presumably allowed to 
> > > > provide personally known factual information to that committee.)
> > > >
> > > > Yours,
> > > > Joel
> > > >
> > > > Bernie Hoeneisen wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > Reviewing the latest "openlist" reminded me of some earlier question / 
> > > > > suggestion I made earlier to the ietf-nomcom list. So far I have not 
> > > > > got any feedback. Probably as it was buried under some much hotter 
> > > > > topic (in the same email)...
> > > > > Here is comes again:
> > > > > * 3rd paragraph and former NomCom members:
> > > > >    "It is consistent with this rule for current nominating committee
> > > > >     members who have served on prior nominating committees to advise
> > > > >     the current committee on deliberations and results of the prior
> > > > >     committee, as necessary and appropriate."
> > > > > As I understand this, current NomCom members who have served on prior
> > > > > NomComs are allowed to share information they have as a result of 
> > > > > their
> > > > > membership in prior NomComs.
> > > > > - Could anybody confirm, that my understanding about this is correct?
> > > > > * Suggestion for change:
> > > > > I suggest to explicitely allow any member of a former NomCom to share
> > > > > with the current NomCom any information relevant to the current 
> > > > > NomCom.
> > > > > Such kind of information is most useful to current NomComs.
> > > > > - Any opinions on changing this as suggested?
> > > > > - How about changing this along with "openlist"?
> > > > >   (Note that this part of RFC 3777 is already cited in "openlist".)
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Bernie
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