Re: [ietf-nomcom] Confidentiality and information from former NomCom members

["Spencer Dawkins" <spencer at wonderhamster.org>]

Hi, John,

OK, I went back and looked at 3777, and I'm not feeling much better about 
this text.

> I'd be happy to hear from  the author of that text (whomever
> that might be), but I believe it is more or less consistent with
> my earlier note:
>
> Nomcom N should reasonably have access to information about
> general criteria, decision processes, and procedures used from
> Nomcom N-1 (and possibly N-2 and further back).  That
> information may be used to inform Nomcom choices about processes
> and criteria, but Nomcom N may also move in different directions
> --at their discretion and within whatever constrains exist in
> 3777 and its offspring.
>
> Neither Nomcom N nor anyone else get access to information about
> actual candidates, candidate statements, input about candidates,
> or Nomcom discussion of candidates.
>
> In other words, "deliberations and results" is about principles
> and process, not candidates.  Otherwise, this text would be,
> IMO, hopelessly inconsistent with the rest of 3777.
>
>   john

Let me begin by saying I agree with what YOUR note said ("general criteria, 
decision processes, and procedures").

I may be confused, but I could be convinced that 3777 uses the word 
"deliberations" to describe precisely what you're hoping would NOT be 
included. I'm looking at text like

  10. The Chair announces the open positions to be reviewed, the
      desired expertise provided by the IETF Executive Director, and
      the call for nominees.

      The call for nominees must include a request for comments
      regarding the past performance of incumbents, which will be
      considered during the *deliberations* of the nominating committee.

and

  14. The nominating committee advises the confirming bodies of their
      candidates, specifying a single candidate for each open position
      and testifying as to how each candidate meets the qualifications
      of an open position.

      For each candidate, the testimony must include a brief statement
      of the qualifications for the position that is being filled,
      which may be exactly the expertise that was requested.  If the
      qualifications differ from the expertise originally requested a
      brief statement explaining the difference must be included.

      The testimony may include either or both of a brief resume of the
      candidate and a brief summary of the *deliberations* of the
      nominating committee.

So, as a non-3777 wonk, I'm thinking that the text that Bernie was 
struggling with, could be improved. I don't think we need to wait for a fix 
to advance openlist, but I hope this does get fixed at some point.

Thanks,

Spencer