Re: [ietf-nomcom] Confidentiality and information fromformer NomCom members

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>]

John and all,

  All good suggestions here John, and as you indicate not likely
to substancially occur.  I would like a a new Volt. >:)

John C Klensin wrote:

> --On Wednesday, June 03, 2009 15:26 -0500 Spencer Dawkins
> <spencer at wonderhamster.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi, John,
> >
> > OK, I went back and looked at 3777, and I'm not feeling much
> > better about this text.
> >...
>
> I trust it is obvious by now that, if we managed to have the
> same quality of clear and unambiguous  writing, and coverage of
> the necessary cases, in our protocol documents that we do in our
> procedural one, either the Internet would have collapsed long
> ago or the IETF would be irrelevant to it.  Of course, the
> number of do-overs that have been required in the IPR space is
> the poster child for this, but the Nomcom and related processes
> are really not much better.   To make things worse, we are often
> protected by the Robustness Principle where protocol documents
> are concerned, but we don't have analogies and a consensus
> understanding about how to apply them in these cases.
>
> >...
> > Let me begin by saying I agree with what YOUR note said
> > ("general criteria, decision processes, and procedures").
> >
> > I may be confused, but I could be convinced that 3777 uses the
> > word "deliberations" to describe precisely what you're hoping
> > would NOT be included. I'm looking at text like
> >
> >    10. The Chair announces the open positions to be reviewed,
> > the
> >        desired expertise provided by the IETF Executive
> > Director, and the call for nominees.
>
> There are documents on this earth that, because of exception
> care or divine guidance, have the property that every use of a
> word has exactly the same meaning and that every change in
> vocabulary means something.   For better or worse, IETF
> procedural documents are not among them.  See above.
>
> >...
> > So, as a non-3777 wonk, I'm thinking that the text that Bernie
> > was struggling with, could be improved. I don't think we need
> > to wait for a fix to advance openlist, but I hope this does
> > get fixed at some point.
>
> Certainly it would be a good idea to do that.  It would be, IMO,
> an even better idea to rewrite all of our procedural documents
> from scratch, using an absolutely consistent style and examining
> every sentence to be sure that it doesn't leave odd edge cases.
>
> I would also like a pony.
>
>     john
>
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